Talk:Holmium/GA1
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Reviewer: Amitchell125 (talk · contribs) 21:02, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Hey Amitchell, I've recently been feeling unwell. You are welcome to place comments on the review, but there might be a long delay before I respond to them. 141Pr {contribs} 18:51, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Happy to review the article. AM
Review comments
[edit]Initial comments on the references
[edit](see MOS:REFERENCES for information regarding these comments)
The following is based on this version of the article. The citation method chosen for this article needs to be more consistently applied:
There is a Bibliography section, but this only lists two books. Refs 6, 9. 10, 11, 21, 25, 26, 28, 29, 30, and 35 are also books, and so for consistency should also be listed in the bibliography. Ref 56 is unnecessarily listed in both sections.
- I have added those books to the bibliography. Is that what you mean? Also, can you explain to me what Ref 56 is unnecessarily listed in both sections means? 141Pr {contribs} 08:00, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- The Ref 56 (Emsley) issue is now sorted. However you still have a mixture of different citation styles, e.g., Ref 16 (Emsley, John (2011). Nature's Building Blocks. p. 226.) is a short quote, and Ref 8 (Cullity, B. D.; Graham, C. D. (2011). Introduction to Magnetic Materials. John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 978-1-118-21149-6) is a full citation, but without a page number. Amitchell125 (talk) 13:27, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Done: made them short quotes. 141Pr {contribs} 15:01, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- The Ref 56 (Emsley) issue is now sorted. However you still have a mixture of different citation styles, e.g., Ref 16 (Emsley, John (2011). Nature's Building Blocks. p. 226.) is a short quote, and Ref 8 (Cullity, B. D.; Graham, C. D. (2011). Introduction to Magnetic Materials. John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 978-1-118-21149-6) is a full citation, but without a page number. Amitchell125 (talk) 13:27, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- I have added those books to the bibliography. Is that what you mean? Also, can you explain to me what Ref 56 is unnecessarily listed in both sections means? 141Pr {contribs} 08:00, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Is the date for Ref 17 correct? A different date is given in the Bib section.
- They seem to be different books, although I'm not sure. 141Pr {contribs} 16:50, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
- They are different editions of the same book—information in 2011 (p.225) lines up with the text in 2001 (p.181). Both books can be viewed in full online here, you should I think only select one of them. Amitchell125 (talk) 19:01, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
Done: Finally sorted out the problem by borrowing the book for an hour. 141Pr {contribs} 08:24, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- They are different editions of the same book—information in 2011 (p.225) lines up with the text in 2001 (p.181). Both books can be viewed in full online here, you should I think only select one of them. Amitchell125 (talk) 19:01, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- They seem to be different books, although I'm not sure. 141Pr {contribs} 16:50, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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9, 15, 16,22, 25, 28,29, 30, 35, 41require page numbers for me to verify the text.Ref 26 has a range of pages, not a single page.
See below. 141Pr {contribs} 16:23, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Ref 40 appears to have an incorrect title. The ref should be written as <ref>{{Cite web |title=Ho - Holmium |url=https://mmta.co.uk/metals/ho/ |access-date=5 December 2022 |publisher=MMTA |language=}}</ref>
Refs 39 and 62 cannot be used to verify the text, as they are general links.
Ref 28 links to a WorldCat page, this link is of little use. The link to Ref 43 is of little use, I would use this.
Ref 12 shouldn't be in capitals.
- (not GA) Consider putting 'url-access=subscription' into Refs 7, 8, 13, 19, 24, 27, 31, 46, 47, 50, 51, 53, 57, 58, and 59.
- (not GA) There are urls available for Refs 9, 16, 28, and 30, which I would consider using.
- 9 already has a url, the others I can't find. 141Pr {contribs} 15:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- (not GA) Ref 35 is too old for an ISBN number, but an OCLC number is available, which I would consider using.
- Couldn't find any OCLC number. 141Pr {contribs} 15:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Ref 28 is in German; consider adding 'language=de' (normal practice)
The following references appear to be dead links: 33, 34, 36, 37, and 61.
- Ref 33 and 34 seem to be working for me, it seems like a French archive though. 141Pr {contribs} 07:47, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- And for me as well, not sure what happened... AM
- Ref 33 and 34 seem to be working for me, it seems like a French archive though. 141Pr {contribs} 07:47, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
Ref 29 needs a volume number.
- Couldn't find ref 29 online (at least published in 1963). 141Pr {contribs} 11:36, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- I found 2 volumes, and holmium isn't in either. See this. Amitchell125 (talk) 12:06, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Done: assuming that you wanted me to replace ref 29 with that link. 141Pr {contribs} 14:51, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- I found 2 volumes, and holmium isn't in either. See this. Amitchell125 (talk) 12:06, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- Couldn't find ref 29 online (at least published in 1963). 141Pr {contribs} 11:36, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
I'll do the others later. 141Pr {contribs} 16:09, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
- The Refs 9, 15, 16 require page numbers for me to verify the text. As I am working through the article section by section, I cannot easily continue until these page numbers are provided. Can you address this issue please? Amitchell125 (talk) 13:56, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
Lead section / infobox
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1.1 Physical properties
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1.2 Chemical properties
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1.2.1 Oxidation states
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1.3 Isotopes
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Checking off
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Thanks for the work on this. To avoid me getting confused, please add
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2.1 Oxides and chalcogenides
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2.2 Halides
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3 History
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4 Occurrence and production
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5 Applications
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6 Biological role and precautions
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7 Prices
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8 See also
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9 References
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10 Bibliography
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12 External links
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On hold
[edit]I'm putting the article on hold for a week until 7 August 10 August to allow time for the issues raised to be addressed. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 10:43, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- It seems like I have addressed all of the comments except the ones about referencing and bibliography. I'm not sure, but I might need some help accessing some of the refs. 141Pr {contribs} 18:24, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
- Which refs do you need to access? If you nominated the article for GA, you should be able to access all the sources yourself. Amitchell125 (talk) 07:19, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Praseodymium-141: Hi, the refs need sorting still, an issue that will cause the article to be failed. Do you need a few more days? Amitchell125 (talk) 17:52, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, that would be great. I'm still quite busy in real life these days, I'll try to work through them as quick as possible. 141Pr {contribs} 06:59, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- Done. AM
- Yes, that would be great. I'm still quite busy in real life these days, I'll try to work through them as quick as possible. 141Pr {contribs} 06:59, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
- @Praseodymium-141: Hi, the refs need sorting still, an issue that will cause the article to be failed. Do you need a few more days? Amitchell125 (talk) 17:52, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Refs
[edit]@Amitchell125: I have addressed all the issues, although I cannot access ref 9, 16, 26, 28 and 30 (the ones that are not strikethrough-ed) to sort of the page number issues. 141Pr {contribs} 15:16, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- I'll see what I can do.
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98 (Cullity & Graham),Done p.172 (here, the book is the 2005 edition, so the date in the article will need amending.) Amitchell125 (talk) 15:44, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Amended. 141Pr {contribs} 15:47, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
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1617 (Hammond);Not done Holmium is described in the 85th edition on p.4-15 and elsewhere in the tables (here), but finding the right pages to cite might be trickier. Amitchell125 (talk) 15:56, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
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2627 (Meyer & Morss);Done p.329 (here, via Springer (Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library)). 16:13, 9 August 2023 (UTC)Amitchell125 (talk)
Amended. 141Pr {contribs} 16:23, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
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2829 (Riedel et al.);Not done a search for holmium in the book found nothing, even the German for holmium is holmium. Amitchell125 (talk) 16:18, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
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3031 (Wells).Done p.421 (here). Amitchell125 (talk) 17:53, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Amended. 141Pr {contribs} 17:56, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
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What shall I do about the other two? 141Pr {contribs} 17:57, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Passing
[edit]We're well into GA territory here, so happy to pass the article. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 17:59, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
- ^ Winter, Mark J. "Holmium - 67Ho: electronegativity". WebElements. University of Sheffield. Retrieved 4 August 2023.