Talk:Honesty-humility factor of the HEXACO model of personality

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Abj89 (talk) 23:00, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination[edit]

Editing this article[edit]

The banner sounds harsher than it really is. These are all fixable problems, which I am confident you will fix within a short period of time. Also, please add the Wikipedia course initiative banner to the talk page for this article. William Fleeson (talk) 19:29, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I see the course banner (never mind about that part)...William Fleeson (talk) 19:30, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Addressing Tags[edit]

I used the tool that prevents link rot. I understand that using bare links for citations isn't ideal, but in this instance, I think it's beneficial. As far as notability goes, there are several citations in the paper that indicate that it has been widely used in personality literature in the last few years. Additionally, the citations in the article have all been cited many times (some have even been cited more than 50 times by other papers). As far as seeming like a personal reflection or essay rather than an encyclopedic entry, I disagree and welcome specific comments about what sounds that way/what should be changed. Abj89 (talk) 03:29, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


Great article! I only have a couple of suggestions, but feel free to disagree with anything I say...

The first section of the article that describes the factor doesn't have a citation- you may want to cite the scale itself?

There are a lot of distinctly psychological terms throughout the page that may be confusing to people not super familiar with psychology- I would either define these terms, or provide a Wiki link if possible. (For example, social adroitness and disinhibition).

Those are my only suggestions! Whitmb11 (talk) 18:56, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

2nd review[edit]

I think that the subscales section needs a citation (added a “citation needed” tag).

The History section needs work. I started with a little sentence cleaning. In addition, I think more time should be spent talking about the development of the HEXACO model and the controversy surrounding it. In the context of this debate, it makes sense to mention the changes that the sixth factor wrought on the existing factors. What were these changes exactly? I’d like to see more about the integration of items that didn’t fit into the five-factor model. This also works well in the context of the debate between the two models.

An expanded version of this section might need to be renamed “History and Controversy”, though that will depend on the topic’s final treatment. In the section “Relation to the Big 5 and Five Factor Models”, the first sentence is confusing. First it says that Honesty-humility is only moderately correlated with the Big Five and then it says that it is highly correlated with Agreeableness in the NEO-PI-R. So it is only moderately correlated with the other four factors. This should be made clear. Social Adroitness and Self-Monitoring should be explained or wiki-linked. “Right-wing activism” doesn’t sound neutral. “Conservative” maybe?

I could be wrong, but I think that all of the places where you say “significantly positively/negatively correlated with” should be changed to “positively/negatively associated with” in the interest of “writing for the lay-person”.

In the second to last paragraph you reference “this study”. I’m not sure what study you’re talking about.

In general, this was quite informative. I'm interested to read more about the HEXACO model now! Armsbf11 (talk) 00:47, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Essay-like clean up tag seems unjustified[edit]

The article was recently tagged as "essay-like" by an editor who seems to be in the habit of adding clean up tags without providing reasons on the talk pages. (I know of at least 8 different articles recently tagged by this person with no reasons given.) The WP guidelines on this matter state that a personal reflection or essay describes someone's personal feelings or views about a topic rather than the opinions of experts.[1] I don't see how this is an issue for the present article as it appears to be well-referenced and researched. I have a degree of familiarity with this topic and can say confidently that the statements in this article concur with the research literature and are not just some editor's personal opinions. (I am not the author of this article by the way.) Placing unnecessary clean up tags like this can be disruptive as it may convey the impression (whether intentional or not) that an article is lacking credibility and is therefore contrary to WP policy on tag bombing.[2] --Smcg8374 (talk) 15:01, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

  • Compare with the version that was tagged. "Logically, Honesty-Humility is also strongly negatively correlated with workplace deliquency...", and the use of the lede as an introduction as one would in an essay. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:22, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
I do need to apologise, for some reason I thought the essay-like tag was added by another editor who has been adding lots of tags to many articles, and not always with good reason. I can see that the older version had problems. I'll be more diligent in checking the history pages next time.--Smcg8374 (talk) 09:25, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
  • No biggy, histories are a daunting read for anyone. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:56, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

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Proposed merger with HEXACO - opposed[edit]

It has been proposed that this article be merged with the one on the HEXACO because this personality trait is part of that model. The reason given is not a proper justification for a merger. A merger would be justified if the subject of the article was not notable enough in its own right to warrant its own article. On the contrary, there is a substantial body of research on Honesty-Humility, indicating that the subject is notable in its own right. Additionally, there are plenty of articles on specific personality traits, for the same reason that there are considerable bodies of literature on these traits, not just on the models that they are components of, and this makes them notable. Merging them all into articles about models would make the latter articles unwieldy. Having an article on this specific subject is useful to people who want to review the research that is specific to Honesty-Humility in some depth.--Smcg8374 (talk) 07:09, 11 December 2012 (UTC)