Talk:I Died for This!?

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Record labels query[edit]

Launched a WP:Albums query regarding this article. QuietHere (talk) 05:30, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Release date[edit]

Cited source for the release date is itself dated "Aug 26, 2021" [1]. That article leads with "GRIP has shared his new album, I Died For This?!..."--past tense. This is the oldest cited source that reports the album has been released; every other cited source reports a future date. In particular, the Instagram post by Grip included in that article, the Instagram post which QuietHere has repeatedly used for support of an "8/27" release, is itself dated "August 18, 2021". All WP:CRYSTAL--unless you can produce a WP:RS that contradicts that dated Complex article currently supporting the release date then leave the date at August 26, the date the article reported "the album has been shared". Yappy2bhere (talk) 19:19, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Yappy2bhere: What I'm saying is that source that you're linking to, the same I've been referring to all along, is dated August 27 at the byline, right below the title and across from the author, and nowhere else on the page does the number 26 appear, at least not that I can find. I don't understand what you mean when you say the article is dated Aug 26.

What time zone are you in? I'm in Eastern Time in the US; perhaps if you're in a different time zone then it displays a different date there. That's the one explanation I can think of.

I'm also really unclear on how WP:CRYSTAL applies here; it's an Instagram post from the artist's account, dated just over a week before the release date (8 days before the 26th, 9 before the 27th), what would be speculative about that? Surely the artist wouldn't announce a release date that close then change it by just one day with such little time left. The writing of the post reads as very resolute to me, and it's direct from a primary source. QuietHere (talk) 19:55, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I linked the source I'm looking at above; currently it's [1] in the article, used once in the lede and once in the infobox. In the source I see the author, "BY TARA C. MAHADEVAN", to the left and the date, "Aug 26, 2021" to the right. I see the same date on archive.org [2].

WP:CRYSTAL point 1. says "Dates are not definite until the event actually takes place...". I'm not saying that Grip is misstating the scheduled release, I'm saying that the ex post facto timestamped Complex article is a better, secondary source than the anticipatory, WP:UGC primary source. Can you find another WP:RS that confirms the announcement date? Yappy2bhere (talk) 20:11, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Right, that's the exact same source/date stamp I've been looking at this whole time, except for me it says Aug 27, even in the archived version you've just linked to. This is why I asked if you're in a different time zone (or are you using a VPN server that is located in a different time zone, or anything like that?); perhaps it displays differently depending on where in the world you are. That would be the simplest explanation, so I'm hopeful that's it or else I don't know why that's happening.

Alright, I see what you mean about CRYSTAL now. The way you worded it before read like you were dismissing the primary out-of-hand on those exact "I'm not saying" grounds so I misunderstood your intent. That's all cleared up (clear as crystal, perhaps?) QuietHere (talk) 20:25, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I see the same "Aug 26, 2021" article date whether connecting through Clifton, New Jersey, Seattle, or Kolkata. Yappy2bhere (talk) 20:55, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is very strange then, no idea why it's like that. Still hasn't changed for me, still see 27th. Same result on mobile. I don't have a VPN so I can't check multiple locations, but it doesn't seem like it's gonna make a difference. Not sure what else could be causing this discrepancy or how to proceed. QuietHere (talk) 21:50, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, go ahead and revert. Here's what seems to be happening: The site framework is embedding article metadata in <script data-react-helmet="true" type="application/ld+json">, including the publication date ({..., "datePublished": "2021-08-27T04:09:10.000Z", "dateModified": "2021-08-27T04:09:12.356Z", ...; i.e., 12:09am EDT). The framework calculates the display date from this in Javascript using the browser's time zone (usu. the OS time zone). Browsers to the west of you see "8/26"; browsers to the east see "8/27". Apparently author is a fan and filed her story from NYC just after the album dropped. (Maybe the only author w/o an advanced copy?) Yappy2bhere (talk) 21:54, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]