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Reviewer: SounderBruce (talk · contribs) 07:34, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Will review this one over the next few days. SounderBruce 07:34, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Overview
GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:
    I have added all the comments I have at the time. As this is my first time reviewing a Japanese GAN (and this would be the first East Asian road GA), forgive me for any misunderstandings. Please ping me when you are ready. SounderBruce 04:49, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

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Lead and infobox
  • The winter restrictions do not need to be listed in the infobox. That parameter is meant for restrictions on certain types of traffic or vehicles over a majority of the route.
  • The map does not display the Hakodate section.
  • "as well as the Tsugaru Strait that separates them" seems awkwardly placed. The first sentence should be kept short.
  • "then, along with National Route 338, National Route 279 crosses the Tsugaru Strait by ferry" could be parsed better as "then crosses the Tsugaru Strait on a ferry from Hakodata to Oma, Aomori that it shares with National Route 279"
RD – Hakodate
  • Generally, road articles are written from south to north by default, but this can vary based on how the country/region uses mileposts. Does Japan use north to south ordering?
  • The distance from Hakodate Station is unnecessary.
  • "along city streets through the city" is redundant
  • Hakodate Station is linked again, which is unnecessary.
RD – Aomori
  • "next carried" would sound better as "then carried"
  • "In Aomori, Route 279..." is a sentence fragment and should be merged with the description in the next sentence.
  • "towards Rokkasho, Yokohama, and finally Noheji" seems to be skipping a lot of the route. Please add some descriptions of the area around the highway and the towns it passes through.
  • The Shimokita Expressway should be properly introduced and given more prose, as it seems to be related to Route 279.
History
  • Could a more specific year or decade be given for the original establishment of the route? It should also be noted that Route 279 was not created but rather a predecessor.
  • Mount Osore should be moved before its description as a "Buddhist temple and folk religion pilgrimage destination, believed to be a gate to the underworld"
    • Mention where this belief can be attributed to.
  • "what was to become Route 279" should be moved to the beginning of the paragraph and omitted in this second mention.
  • "in 1970" should be moved to before the description of the route (perhaps "established in 1970").
  • "3-hour" should be "three-hour"
  • "winter of 2019" should be changed to the month that it took effect, rather than season.
Gallery
  • The gallery is unnecessary and should be removed. The images showing the road itself should be integrated into the other text sections.
Major intersections
  • Is the Mutsu Bypass a separate route or child/spur route of 279? If the latter, then it needs its own section.
Sources
  • The Japanese sources need translated titles (using the |trans_title= field).
  • Citation 3: What makes Japan-Guide.com a reliable source? I suggest replacing this with a map or diagram from the city government.
  • Citation 4: I would prefer a non-tourist/booster website to source the nickname of the highway and the description of the hamanasu.
  • Citation 6 appears to be a fansite and needs to be replaced.
  • Citation 7: Planetyze is not a reliable source and needs to be replaced.
  • Citations 8 and 9: Is Aotabi a user-generated encyclopedia or is it written professionally?
  • Citation 10: It should be mentioned that this is a government publication or law and cited appropriately.
  • Citation 11: The publisher (Aomori Prefecture) is missing, as well as other details.
  • Citation 13 leads to a dead link.

@SounderBruce: Hello and thanks again for doing this review. I didn't realize it was the first time a GA nom has been done for an East Asian road, so my hat is off to you for taking the plunge. I've been working on this off/on throughout the week, so some of the changes might seem a bit random, but it's a work in progress. I wanted to address your concern about the orientation of the writing. Roads in Japan aren't marked in any particular order. When the government (national or prefecture) creates a highway, they designate one terminus as a "start point" or 起点 and the other as the "end point" 終点. A lot of the time they follow patterns (all of the national highways that have a terminus at Nihonbashi, the country's default kilometer zero point, are said begin there and end wherever they go whether it be Osaka to the west, Sendai to the north, etc.) I follow whatever the government says is the 0 point and write from there; howevver there are a few frustrating cases like the related Shimokita Expressway article where the government is inconsistent about this (the older section has kilometer posts starting from zero in the south, but the newest section signs the kilometer posts from the north). For national highways, the start and end points are indicated on the government document that is cited as Citation 10. On bypasses, most of the time a bypass is a newer alignment of a road that bypasses a neighborhood or sometimes a whole town, but usually the original alignment is transferred back to local maintenance as is the case for the Nimaibashi Bypass I mention in the history section, but not for the Mutsu Bypass and Shimokita Expressway where both the original route and the bypass are designated as Route 279. Mccunicano☕️ 01:55, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SounderBruce: I think after the edits I've made recently I'm ready for you to look over this article again. The only major thing I could see myself doing after sending this is updating the source that talks about the historic routes. There's a book [1] at the prefecture library I want to get my hands on that I suspect will have more a more definite date for the establishment of the Tanabu-kaido, but the wintery condition of the roads here are keeping me from accessing it. Mccunicano☕️ 05:43, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the wait, I've had a few things to juggle lately and let this languish in my pinned tabs. I'll trust that you will get back with a more exact date, but I have made some light touches here and there to get this over the finish line. As such, this has passed. Well done! SounderBruce 06:49, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again for reviewing this and for those touches you made. It's the first GA I've worked on, so I'm pretty excited it passed. Mccunicano☕️ 06:58, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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