Talk:John Corapi/Archive 1

Speedy Deletion Comments 2006

I do not believe that this article should be considered for speedy deletion, because Fr. John Corapi has caused many conversions to the Catholic Fatih, and Dan Millman has an article. This article has been posted for five minutes, at least give it a chance. If I needed information about Fr. John Corapi, my first resource would be Wikipedia, as I am sure many other people would. Tony 20:43, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps we should move it to AFD, where it can be decided better?Tony 21:37, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Father Corapi has been an important and very influential figure to many in the Catholic Church in the United States. I look forward to seeing more about him here. D323P 00:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Televangelist/Quote

The facts are that he is conservative and a televangelist and the quote on his attitudes to abortion is true and central to his views. Please don't revert without further discussion. Mccready 01:20, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thats fine. I agree with those facts, however, they have no place in the very beginning of the article. Perhaps we could place them farther in the article? Tvaughn05_e ^(Talk)_(Contribs) 02:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks T, I prefer them up front (let's not be coy). It adds neglibigly to intro length but gives compacted info - a mark of a good encyclopedic entry. Curious why you think they have "no place" in intro Mccready 12:47, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I do not agree with those facts

Conservative is a political label and does not fit well. That should be changed to orthodox.

(I would say that Conservative is also a meaningful term...because he takes many political stances, even arguing aganst Socialism and such. That is clearly not a purely Religious view...no where in the bible does it say "socialism is bad" actually the bible no more mentions socialism then it mentions democracy. anyhow, he does take political stances of a conservative nature, and has even given up his tax exempt status to do so,...he is hence Conservative.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.255.46.89 (talk) 06:32, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Televangelist is a label for evangelical Chistians. He is a Catholic Priest, scholar, and speaker who has his teaching series broadcast on television and radio.

You cannot agree or disagree with a fact. A fact is a fact. You perhaps mean to say these are not facts. In any event, I'll try to accommodate you in the spirit of producing a good encyclopedic article. Let's say orthodox and that he appears often on TV. Whats' the point of the other deletions? Please sign your posts with four tildes which will automatically generate a time stamp and user name or IP address. Mccready 11:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

The addition of one comment made in the initial description can be viewed as "antagonistic". Wouldn't it be prudent to a category for many comments? As opposed to attempting to bias an entire article injecting just one comment? MT (this comment was placed by mt7 24 April.

The fact that he opposed Roe v Wade is not antagonistic. Some would find it pleasing, some wouldn't. Mccready 07:58, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

His quotes should be expressed yet injecting ONE "out of context" in an initial description is clearly slanted. The goal is to be nonprejudicial. mt7

I know I am a bit late but I must say that the term "Televangelist" is not absolutely restricted to evangelicals. After all, Bishop Sheen is mentioned on the "televangelist" page I believe. Evangelicals only dominate in the medium, so they get identified with the term most often. Also, one should be careful with the term "orthodox" though and make sure it is in the lowercase, the Eastern Orthodox church never claims anyone but their own, or so is my understanding.CrownedArchViscountoftheCityofSanDiego (talk) 14:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

"Televangelist" sounds good to me. Any real substantive problems with it?My72.name225is.205.5 (talk) 07:51, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Nomination for Speedy Deletion 2008

I nominate Fr. John Corapi for speedy deletion. This article is apparently being used as an advertisement to ligitimize this individual's personal television and internet marketing. The article has repeatedly been censored and edited to embellish Corapi's bio and to eliminate a NPOV. Most of the POV push has been by a non-registered user or users (probably the individual himself). If the subject of this individual's bogus claims to elite military service cannot be explained or included here, the entire article should be deleted. Corapi is, by his own video promotion, a phony ex-"Green Beret"[1] veteran. This is significant because it's a lie and a fraudulent claim by someone who's making a living promoting the truth. Corapi's fraudulent claims need to be a matter of public record. If there's to be any record of him on Wikipedia at all, first, it should candidly note his bogus and illegal claims. Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 21:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I strongly disagree. Father Corapi is notable, whether you like him or not. I do belive this article has POV issues. I have heard "Father" on several occassions call himself a Green Beret and that he was "in Combat" despite what is known to be true (that is, he was not). I have heard him make other ridiculous and exaggerated claims (a plus 400 pound benchpress at 17!). However, that is not why you would nominate for deletion, Doctor. Fix the article if it has issues.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 06:27, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

His time as a Green Beret is proven (see article) but where did you get the strange idea that he said he had been into (real) battle? Or are you talking about spiritual battles? --92.75.20.100 (talk) 21:02, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Category:Impostors added

I've added the Imposter category link to this article because of Fr. Corapi's fraudulent claims of elite military service. This individual and/or his surrogates shall probably reverse it promptly as they've done previously. I suggest that the entire article be deleted if it cannot be maintained with true information. Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 21:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• Corapi is a living person, and so this article falls under WP:BLP. That policy requires that all informaiton, especially anythig derogatory, requires reliable sources. Until such time as there are adequate sources for the assertion that the subject is an impostor we cannot include the article in that category. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• Corapi's military service is a matter of public record. He's made a fraudulet claim of being a member of the U.S. Army Special Forces, which is also a matter of public record and in the public domain. See: Phony Veterans

• See Bob Levy (politician), former Mayor of Atlantic City, and another living Imposter and Green Beret-wannabe. Corapi has stolen the honor of better men than himself, and now he's making a living promoting himself as something he's not. Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 23:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

• See Stolen Valor Act of 2005

We have sources that repeat Corapi's claim to have at least trained as a Green Beret. Do we have any reliable sources that directly contradicts that claim? Levy was convicted of making false claims, so there's no problem at all about including that information in his biography. From what I can see of Corapi's life, he hasn't even been indicted yet. WP policies don't require even an indictment, but highly reliable sources are required for extraordinary claims. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

I dissagree father corapi has done a wonderous gift to me in this past month. He has touched me in a special way that no one else has hit me. He has taught me the good morales of life, and also ways of living my life to the fullest with God at the center of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.244.71 (talk) 00:02, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I found the following two articles regarding Father Corapi's military claims. http://forums.catholic.com/showpost.php?p=3724212&postcount=64 —Preceding http://cosmos-liturgy-sex.com/2008/05/21/fr-corapi-a-summary/unsigned comment added by Fattyjoe (talk • contribs) 04:20, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Both of these articles strongly support the fact that Father Corapi has not made any false claims regarding his military record.

Current Status ?

I would have sworn that I once saw Fr. Corapi give a talk where he briefly said that he was retiring from either traveling the country giving mission talks at parishes or retiring from traveling the country on speaking tours. I don’t know if it was due to his health or from lack of interest by audiences or what. It was done in a rather offhanded way. Does anyone know which one he stopped doing and should the bio be edited to reflect accordingly? SacredSpermWhale (talk) 07:45, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

I've heard this as well. I can try to find out more info. SkeletorEditor (talk) 05:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how accurate the information is, since it doesn't appear to be sourced. But apparently someone has edited the article to say that it is true that his mission talks and speaking tours have ended but it is due to a serious decline in his health.OfficialVaticanJanitor (talk) 04:21, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Apparently, it's on the up&up. This 2009 appearance is a one-shot deal.SayWhatRollerCoasterUhUhUh (talk) 06:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Political contribitions

• In the last several years, Father Corapi has made $2,800 worth of monetary contributions, all of which was made to the Republican Party. These contributions include $1,400 worth of donations to presidential candidate John McCain in the 2008 election cycle.

This text has been added, deleted, and re-added. My view is that it is totally dependent on primary sources. According to various Wikpedia policies and guidelines, such as WP:BLP, WP:V, WP:PSTS, and WP:RS, we should not use material sourced exclusively to primary sources. Unless secondary sources have covered something there is no indication of notability. Further, primary sources can be misinterpreted. In this example, it's not clear why we are reporting this. Is it because he donated so much money? Or that he donated to only one party? Or that he was a strong McCain supporter? In any case, unless some secondary source has reported this I think it should be deleted. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 19:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll throw in WP:UNDUE. The statement really has no place on this page and I'm really not sure why it's been readded recently when I felt the concerns have always been made very clear in the edit summaries. Someguy1221 (talk) 10:28, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

I can't speak to why it was recently added, I didn't add it or delete it, so I don't have much stake in it. I do however remember a similar argument several years back over a different religious figure. The exact figure escapes me as does my user name at the time. There, some editor thought it was notable because religious clerics within the USA have to be very careful about endorsing political candidates and that priests in particular are supposed to live under a vow of poverty, even if they don't actual take the vow itself.

In such cases as that, and as this, a large donation could be interpreted as a major endorsement by subtler means. I would assume he wouldn't donate that much money to someone he didn't support. Unless it was an anti-Obama contribution of sorts. Does anyone know what Corapi's sermons are like in terms of how he touches upon political matters? What did he say about McCain, Obama, etc.

At what point does a religious figure politics become notable? In cases like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, they would be, right? Don't know if that helps at all or not. But, such information couldn't be interpreted as an attempt to defame or somehow attack someone's character, could it?WhyCan'tIGetAny (talk) 22:54, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

For Wikipedia purposes, people are notable if they have a biography. There's no doubt that the endorsement of a politician by a religious figure could be of interest. But we can't decide on our own that it's interesting. That's why we need a secondary source for this. If a secondary source is found that talks about this contribution then I'd have no problem with adding it here. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:08, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, is that how it is? That makes sense to me. I'd hope whoever keeps adding it, assuming it's the same person, reads this bit first.WhyCan'tIGetAny (talk) 23:11, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

I can second this statement. Some anon contributor out of PA has been turning the EWTN page into an edit war-zone for some time now. You know, I think that whoever that person is, they are behind a lot of the unsourced edits on these related pages.TheOilPrivateer (talk) 09:53, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Afraid of the truth......

Father Corapi has been instrumental in getting me heavily involved in my religion again and seeking the Sacrament of Confession after 45 years away from it. Bold? Yes Dogmatic? Yes Critical? Yes, but those traits are what, at least in my case, have allowed me to think about where I was and where I was going. As he clearly states:"At the end there is only Heaven or Hell"..What can be further said?

I admire his courage and respect him for the turn that he took in this material world. No doubt, he will be told when he meets his maker: "Well done my child" Jose Gonzalez, Sr. (talk) 02:40, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I turned to the entry on Fr. Corapi after a friend loaned me tapes of his. I wanted to find out more about the man, his background, his thinking, the influences on his life, and so forth. And I was hoping for a balanced presentation that was properly sourced and that gave me a fuller sense of the individual without taking sides.

I'm afraid that I was disappointed in this regard. There is little question in my mind that some kind of entry is warranted. After all, I turned to Wikipedia hoping for enlightenment in the matter of his biography. However, I found the existing entry to be both explicitly and implicitly promotional in its slant. True, the entry contained facts. But it also seemed to me to be an effort to establish Fr. Corapi's legitimacy as a representative of the Faith--at least enough legitimacy to sell DVD's and tickets. Given this gentleman's long history of self-promotion, I have to look askance on this kind of presentation and wonder where it came from and what the purposes were of its authors.

I'm afraid that this is the first time I have dared to join a Wikipedia discussion, and I apologize if I have violated any standards or crossed over any lines. I also apologize if I have seemed to demean Fr. Corapi in any way. When I first turned to this entry, I was simply hoping to find out how he was, for I'm afraid his DVD's showed to me only a man who was ill, bitter, and angry with little sense of the kindness and compassion which I associate with the message of Christ. I am R---.98.218.161.62 (talk) 02:57, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand what Wikipedia is. It isn't a site that information all of a sudden appears out of nowhere about every topic in the world. Individual contributors put up information and others edit it. All the information has to fit within WP standards. Since Father Corapi is a living person all aspects associated Biography of Living Persons must be met as well as Reliable sources, and Neutral Point of View. Feel free to edit the article if you feel changes are needed. I highly suggest getting a user account so people can have meaningful discussions with you. Things like what you say about him being "ill, bitter, and angry, etc." will not appear in the article because they are a particular point of view and violate the NPOV policies. Most things that appear in articles about living people tend to be "just the facts".Marauder40 (talk) 14:11, 22 December 2010 (UTC)