Talk:Katherine Hughes (activist)/GA2

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Reviewer: Buidhe (talk · contribs) 17:30, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing this article. I think it's very close to the GA criteria, but since the article has been expanded, the lead now seems a bit too short for the article. I would try to expand it into a longer paragraph or two paragraphs. (t · c) buidhe 17:30, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Copyvio: uh oh, it looks like either someone has lifted some paragraphs from RTE, or else they lifted it from Wikipedia. See here for text matches. (t · c) buidhe 17:57, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

• Ah, that was the added paragraph that had the citation needed added to it. I didn't add that into the article, but obviously I'll try to fix it. I'm assuming I need to rewrite it so it is no longer a CV? I remember something about making revdel requests for copyrighted content, I'm assuming I'll need to do that once it's fixed? Clovermoss (talk) 18:09, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

• Ref layout: I have fixed the problem of duplicate refs. This is not the only way to solve it, but in general you should avoid repeating the same full reference with a different page number. (t · c) buidhe 17:57, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
• Verifiability: Ideally, for increased verifiability for book chapters and journal articles, one should provide the exact page number where the information is found. However, I think the current format complies with GA expectations. (t · c) buidhe 17:57, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

• I'll work on the lead. I'm going to be a bit busy for the rest of the afternoon, but I'll try to wrap my head around the best way to improve the lead within the next day or two, because it definitely is short right now. I noticed that there is an oppose on the copyright violations section. Where/how should I fix that? Clovermoss (talk) 18:05, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

  Clovermoss, The copyvio is that some paragraphs from the article match a RTE article. It's also possible that the article copied from Wikipedia, but if not then it has to be rewritten. See here for the identical text. (t · c) buidhe 18:11, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

@Buidhe: I've rewritten the text that was a copyright violation. Do you think that it is adequate? I have added two sentences to the lead, but I think I still need to expand it. Clovermoss (talk) 21:45, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

• I checked the copyvio with the latest version of the article [1]. It looks like some of it has been cleared up, but there are still a few sentences in the third paragraph of "Work for Irish independence" section that are an issue. I notice that this was added by another editor so not your fault at all, but it does need to be fixed before GA status can be reached. (t · c) buidhe 00:52, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

• @Buidhe: I've rewritten the text in that paragraph, too. Has the copyright violation problem been solved? It's gone from 49% to 11% according to the tool you used. [2] Clovermoss (talk) 01:28, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you! Looks good now. (t · c) buidhe 01:58, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

• @Buidhe: I'll spend a bit more time soon improving the article. I have tomorrow off-work so I'll have some free time. Sorry I haven't done much the past few days, I've been really busy with my job. Apart from expanding the lead, is there anything else I should be focusing on? Clovermoss (talk) 21:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

• Some things that ideally should be clarified, but not an obstacle to GA promotion:
  • Archbishop O'Brien: Man and Churchman—state the publication date
  • Adding content from the The West and Beyond listed in further reading to the article; it would broaden coverage of her literary output. I can access the relevant content using Google Books preview.
  • Is there any more info about her activity in Catholic Women's League of Canada?
  • I'd also like to see more specific info on the secret tasks (or other work) she performed for the Irish Self-Determination League.
  • Confusingly, her book The Life and Work of Sir William Van Horne is discussed in two places. Consolidating them would make more sense, as well as stating when she got around to finishing the book.
  • It's also confusing that the article states "Hughes emigrated to the United States in 1905" after "In 1913, Hughes moved to London, England". I would move the sentence about the United States to where it belongs chronologically. Also, it appears she went back to Canada soon after as she was working in Alberta in 1908? If this could be clarified for the reader it would be great.
  • Overall, great work, just a few things that can be ironed out.

(t · c) buidhe 01:20, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

• @Buidhe: I still have a few things to work out, but I've dealt with about half the list so far. I've added the publication date for Archibishop O'Brien: Man and Churchman. I've added some content from the West and Beyond. I removed the duplicate content about Sir William Van Horne but I still have to work on consolidating some of the content I removed into the writing section, in addition to when the book was finished. I added a paragraph about the CWL. I'll try to figure out the rest of this by Friday/Saturday, as I have those days off from work. Thank you for your patience, I really appreciate it. Clovermoss (talk) 23:55, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

  Clovermoss, Thanks for the update! Looks great so far. Take as much time as you need. (t · c) buidhe 00:36, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@Buidhe: I've added some more information about her writing. In regards to emigration, I can't quite figure out the timeline. Part of the issue is that the "Hughes emigrated to the United States in 1905" is cited to an Ottawa Citizen article from newspapers.com that I can't access. Since she died in New York, presumably she stayed there later in life (but I can't verify that). In regards to her secret tasks/work in the Irish Self-Determination League, I think that it would be hard to find more information about that unless I managed to find a copy of and read Katherine Hughes: A Life and a Journey by Pádraig Ó Siadhail. Clovermoss (talk) 22:13, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Clovermoss, Great! I've requested access to the Ottawa Citizen article. Depending on what it says I may make a minor change to the article, but otherwise I think it meets the GA criteria so I will pass it. Congratulations on your first GA! (t · c) buidhe 01:29, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

@Buidhe: I did actually end up buying that book. I'm still in the process of reading it, but I might make more improvements over time now that I have access to it. Is there anything in general I should keep in mind? I've never really read an entire book with the intention of improving a Wikipedia article so there might be something obvious I'm missing. The main thing I'd think that would be important to keep in mind would be to not add excessive details and just stick with important events that are missing from the current article? Clovermoss (talk) 05:15, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

I would try to keep the proportions of the article relatively similar to that found in the book or other reliable sources, not focusing too much on one detailed area. On the other hand, the article is currently 1498 words and it could be expanded a lot before the length becomes a problem. One heuristic I've found helpful is "would the average reader's understanding benefit from this information"? If so, add it. (t · c) buidhe 05:19, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

That is helpful! Thank you very much. I'll keep you updated. I'm a fast reader, but I'm much slower when I'm taking notes so it's difficult to give an accurate estimate for how long that might take. Clovermoss (talk) 05:23, 19 May 2022 (UTC)