Talk:Kenai Peninsula

External Links?

Kenai Peninsula Treks

my link, add if appropriate. AlaskaTrekker 18:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

History sections needed

this article needs History sections: Ancient, Pre-Europeans, Europeand

This link will help.

Lonely Planet: Kenai Peninsula - History

Gatorgirl7563 (talk) 22:09, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, most of the history of the Kenai is covered in the articles on the individual settlements. For example, the article on the town of Kenai goes onto considerably more detail than the link you have provided. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:43, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

kenai peninsula , partial rewrite of Geography, opinions anyone?

The peninsula is about 9,400 sq. mi. ref 1 p 29pdf/22 and extends approximately 150 miles (240 km) southwest from the south end of the Chugach Mountains east of Anchorage. Most (77%) of the Kenai Peninsula is protected by the federal and state governments, all except 2,151 sq mi.. It is separated from the rest of Alaska by an isthmus approximately 6 to 9 miles wide between the end of Turnagain Arm (town of Portage) and Canal Passage (town of Whittier).ref p 28pdf/21 It is seperated by the Ocean, on the west by Cook Inlet, on the north by Cook Inlet, Turnagain Arm and Canal Passage, on the east by Prince William Sound and on the south by the Pacific Ocean. Almost all of the peninsula is part of the Kenai Peninsula Borough and the rest is part of the Municipality of Anchorage and a Unorganized Borough (Valdez-Cordova Census Area). ref 3

. Athabaskan and Alutiiq Native groups lived on the peninsula for thousands of years. Europeans to visit Cook Inlet include the 1778 expedition of James Cook, its namesake, who sailed into it while searching for the Northwest Passage. Cook received maps of Alaska, the Aleutians, and Kamchatka during a visit with Russian fur trader Gerasim Izmailov in Unalaska, and combined these maps with those of his expedition to create the first Mercator projection of the North Pacific. ref 3 Cook sent men ashore at Point Possession on Turnagain Arm. A Russian fortress called Aleksandrovsk, the first Russian post on mainland Alaska, was established at the present site of Nanwalek by men of Grigorii Shelikhov’s company in 1786. The Lebedev Lastochkin Company leader Stepan Zaikov established a post at the mouth of the Kenai River, Fort Nikolaev, in 1786. ref 3 Gerasim Izmailov the first European to explore and map the area in 1789. The glacier-covered Kenai Mountains with an area of about 6,500 sq. mi. Ref 1 p 29pdf/22 , rising up to 7,000 feet (2,100 m) and generally 3,000 to 5,000 ft, run along the western half and southeast spine of the peninsula along the coast of Prince William Sound and the Gulf of Alaska. some of the range is within Kenai Fjords National Park (1,046.9 sq mi; 2,711.3 km2), the Chugach National Forest (peninsula part 2,266.95 sq mi), Kenai National Wildlife Refuge 3,000 sq mi, Kachemak Bay State Park (625 sq mi), and Kachemak Bay State Wilderness Park (310 sq mi).

The western half of the peninsula north of Kachemak bay along the Cook Inlet is flatter and marshy, dotted with numerous small lakes with an area of about 2,900 sq. mi.. ref 1 p 29pdf/22 Several larger lakes extend through the interior of the peninsula, including Skilak Lake and Tustumena Lake. Rivers include the Kenai River, famous for its salmon population, as well as its tributary, the Russian River, the Kasilof River, and the Anchor River. Kachemak Bay, a small inlet off the larger Cook Inlet, extends into the peninsula's southwest end, a lot of the bay is part of Kachemak Bay State Park and almost all of the bay is Kachemak Bay State Critical Habitat Area and a National Estuarine Research Reserve. Other Protected areas include Fox River Flats State Critical Habitat Area, Homer Airport State Critical Habitat Area and Clam Gulch State Critical Habitat Area.

The Kenai Peninsula has many glaciers in its eastern and southern areas. It is home to both the Sargent Icefield (east of the city of Seward on the western shore of Prince William Sound) and Harding Icefields (between Seward, Nuka bay and the Kenai Icefield , Skilak Lake and northeast end of Kachemak bay) and numerous glaciers that spawn off them. Some of the well known glaciers are Portage, Byron and Whittier glaciers at the north end of the peninsula, Exit, Aialik, Holgate, Northwestern, and McCarty glaciers (west of Seward from the Harding ice fields) and Southern, Doroshin, Wosnesenski, Grewingk, Portlock, Dixon and Kachemak Glacier, Dinglestadt glaciers on the southeast side of Kachemak Bay from the Kenai Icefield, The Kenai Icefield has 27 glaciers and these are the most westerly glaciers on the Kenai Peninsula. ref 4

ref 1 p [pdf page]/[document page] Department of the Interior United States Geological Survey Bulletin 587 Geology and Mineral Resources of Kenai Peninsula, Alaska by G. C. Martin, B. L. Johnson, and U. S. Grant Washington government printing office 1915 Stanford Library The Branner Geological Library Digitized by Google books https://books.googleusercontent.com/books/content?req=AKW5QaeXqS4jwLe0rKBXQGR9BfRidj5wVv7iqyW60xeaVBUjFs2ri0ww3wX_OMno9ZGB-50yQ9JO5BNmKi_Y0UctuCLUKzKcliNlL7wGtC0anT-1gc67EdJ2ZoJPyQDoZN5Or748ID8mWYycHDv1nktjvaKvIMnR2aEf8wV32Z3aPR_9V8HNKwEEeSqrulJISqqRRGO9-e30D8iokpCv4b4djNGRNhhdf5urnSiPVTWaRfHyfClDEGr5SIdRDAGtTbxJzKQ7qqFuAh-U6MxqiUTAj0CHFKBTeA

ref 2 topozone.com USGS topographic maps https://www.topozone.com/alaska/

ref 3 wiki cook inlet

ref 4 https://coastview.org/articles/2019/9/16/grewingk-glacier-kachemak-bay

Sunbelt alaska (talk) 19:45, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:V

I'm hereby challenging that:

"Athabaskan and Alutiiq Native groups lived on the peninsula for thousands of years prior to Gerasim Izmailov becoming the first European to explore and map the area in 1789."
"The northwest coast along the Cook Inlet is [...] marshy"
The Kenai River is "famous for its salmon population"
It "has many glaciers in its eastern and southern areas" and that "numerous glaciers that spawn off" these two icefields.
Homer "famously" marks anything and "is a popular destination for travelers who have driven to Alaska from the lower 48 states."
The airports in Kenai and Homer have "regularly scheduled flights" or that there are "smaller general-navigation airports in Soldotna and Seward".
"Water Taxi services and scheduled ferries operate out of Seward and Homer."
"The peninsula' coastal climate is relatively mild, with abundant rainfall. It is one of the few areas in Alaska that allows for agriculture, with a growing season adequate for producing hay and several other crops."
"The glacier-covered Kenai Mountains, rising 7,000 feet (2,100 m)" (the link to Kenai Mountains says 4,980 feet).

I didn't even get into the locations themselves, which we should not just rely on readers stepping into other Wikipedia articles or going to look at an external map to verify. This isn't "2+2=4" or "the capitol of France is Paris", and WP:BLUE – an essay – is being misused to keep this information in uncited. Just Step Sideways, I can't believe I have to explain how fundamentally important WP:V is to an editor with over 100,000 edits. It isn't 2005; this isn't appropriate. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 21:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a reason you can't just use {{cn}} and give someone a couple of minutes to try and sort it out, given that nearly everything you removed includes links to other articles that likely have exactly the citations you are looking for? Is there some reason you have to cut it out of the article without giving anyone a chance to correct the problem? This is really crappy behavior. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 21:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You did not previously indicate that you wished to sort it out. You just said "Revert gutting of article per WP:BLUE" (erroneous; essays don't override policy, and even if they did, BLUE doesn't say what you were trying to say it does) and "You're being ridiculous". You've furthermore suggested on my talk page (again without mentioning a cleanup effort) that the appropriate course of action is to put {{cn}} tags on this information, rather than delete it or fix it per Wikipedia policy. I'm glad you've taken it upon yourself to fix this for the betterment of the project, and I don't want you to feel pressured in that endeavor; I just can't read minds. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 22:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Being sarcastic is rarely helpful. You deleted content that very obviously could be sourced, the sources being at the many articles linked to in the removed material. You chopped it all out in a single edit as well. When I reverted you, instead of trying to discuss, you reverted again all of two minutes later.

Your edits are clearly not an improvement, it is just "rules are rules and that's that". We're supposed to be concerned with improving content, not slavish andherence to the rules. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's also really annoying that you just deleted all mention of the airports, as opposed to the specific content you claim to have some reason to not believe. Are you arguing that these airports don't even exist, or are you just trying to make it as difficult as possible to fix these non-iisues to your satisfaction? I mean seriously, not helpful. If it weren't edit warring at this point I'd revert to a previous version. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3O Response: By the strict letter of Wikipedia policy, TheTechnician27 is correct; WP:BURDEN (part of WP:V) clearly states that "Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source." WP:BLUE is also not really applicable here.

However, to remove 75% of the prose of an article without serious doubts that the material is incorrect is quite unnecessary—yes, it isn't 2005, so the best way to help improve the article to 2024 standards is to provide the citations that weren't required twenty years ago. As WP:BURDEN goes on to state, "When tagging or removing material for lacking an inline citation, state your concern that it may not be possible to find a published reliable source, and the material therefore may not be verifiable.If you think the material is verifiable, you are encouraged to provide an inline citation yourself before removing or tagging it. Hope that helps, ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The third opinion is appreciated, and I agree that the action I took was a dramatic measure; however, I believe that sort of action is entirely commensurate with 75% of an article being unverified. I do want to point out that as a human, I have a limited bandwidth to verify a dozen statements on any random article I come across, and just leaving it there with a bunch of [citation needed] tags praying someone else sees them at some point and takes action causes extreme cases of rot – which is why WP:V allows such a measure. For example, there was recently a high-traffic article which made dozens upon dozens of completely uncited medical claims (often with entirely uncited sections), potentially actively jeopardizing human health, and these were tagged as "This section does not cite any sources." dated circa 2011. WikiProjects can help with this, but I don't think it's reasonable to inundate WikiProject talk pages every time to try to make everyone play "fix up this unverified heap of claims". Versus just removing the information and letting an editor who wants to actually be responsible with their work come in and write something verifiable.

In this case, JSS seems to be working on getting it fixed up per WP:BURDEN, but I have basically conclusive evidence supporting my point: most of this uncited information was in here in 2007. JSS first showed up to the article in 2008 and has made nearly 20 edits since over the years. JSS has therefore had 16 years to clean up this article's verifiability problem and simply hasn't. It's not their responsibility, but they certainly seem to treat it as though it isn't a problem. Thus, if I'm being chastized by someone who's neglected to clean this up (for actually following policy), why should I believe that dropping in a single 'refimprove' tag or a 'cn' tag on almost every claim will bring about action? TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 01:33, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You erased the very existence of the native people, and all transportation options other than the highways. That's not the same thing as removing questionable medical claims, as that sort of content can cause real harm to people.

Look, I've chopped the hell out of quite a number of articles, but, outside of extreme cases, I bring it up on the talk page first, and if I'm reverted I don't just revert again and repeat "I'm following policy" ad nauseum. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 02:03, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]