Talk:Khetran

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Definitely .. This article is mostly rubbish. Reference No. 6 .. is a fiction.

The Actual entry is "Khetran a tribe settled in the Loralai District of Balochistan at the back of the Laghari, Khosa, and Lund country. Their original settlement was at Vahoa in the country of the Kasrdni of Dera Ismail Khan, where many of them still live and hold land between the Kasrd^ni Baloch (with whom they have long been at feud) and the river. But the emperor Akbar drove out the main body of the tribe, and they took refuge in the Barkhan valley which is still held by the Ndhar sept of the Khetrans as inferior proprietors, the Laghairis being its superior own- ers. They are certainly not pure Baloch, and are held by many to be Pathans, descended from Mi^na, brother of Tarin, the ancestor of tho Abdalij and they do in some cases intermarry with Pathans. But they confessedly resemble the Baloch in features, habits, and general appearance, the names of their septs end in the Baloch patronymic termination dni and they are now for all practical purposes a Baloch tribe. It is probable that they are in reality a remnant of the original Jat population ; they speak a dialect of their own called Khetrani which is an Indian dialect closely allied with Sindhi, and in fact probably a form of the Jatki speech of the lower Indus. Ihey are the least warlike of all the Baloch tribes, capit il cultivators, and in consequence very well-to-do. Their lands are generally divided into large blocks held by numerous sharers, each proprietor holding shares in many such blocks scattered about, in different v. The tribe, as it now stands, is composed of four clans, of which the Ganjura represents the original Khetran nucleus, while to them aro affiliated the Dhariwal"^ or Ohacha vvho say that they are Dodai BalocH, the Hasani, once an important Baloch tribe which was crushed Vjy Nasir Khan, ilie great Khan of Kelat, and took refuge with the Khetran of whom they are now almost independent, and the Nflhap or Babar, who are by origin Lodi Pathans. The name, as Dames observes, is undoubtedly derived from kheti' ' field.' "

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I have been recently been reading this article and I think it needs to be rewritten and put to dispute resolution. The claim that Khetran are Baluch or Pakhtun is false and should be changed.

Khetrans are pathans and the ones living in barkhan are not even khetran Adilkhan12 (talk) 01:30, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Khetrans & Khatris

You have confused Khetrans with Khatris. They have got only somewhat similiar name. The Khatris in Pakistan mainly comprise of Khawajas and the Sheikhs, Dont get confused bt similiar names. They origin as Balochs or Pathans may be disputed but it has nothing to do with Khatris. The culture and traditions are totally different from Punjabis the Khetrans have. (OmerKhetran (talk) 15:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC))

Following up, this relationship is likely as:

Linguistically Khetranki being an Indo-Aryan Lahnda language is far closer to Punjabi, Hindkowan and Seriki than it is to Baluchi or Pushto, which are both NorthWestern Persian languages.

The E.J. Brill's citation (first encyclopaedia of Islam 1913-1936) By M. Th. Houtsma, A. J. Wensinck page 631) suggests that Khetrans were present in Baluchistan prior to Baloch and Pakhtoon invasions and retain an isolated Indo-Aryan language amongst those that surround it as well as other cultural artifacts confirming their identity and history, such as the use of Sultan in Khetrani naming conventions as well earlier use of the title Shaikh which strongly indicates Khatri ancestry. (Journal of the Asiatic Society of Bengal, Asiatic Society (Calcutta, India), Asiatic Society of Bengal Volume 71, Part 3. Pg 75).

Baluchistan has had an extensive Hindu history, and was until the Arab invasion, ruled by the Sewa Dynasty the ruling classes of which continued under Arab suzerainty or as vassals to the Arabs and later under the Mughals, well into the 17th century. This is demonstable from the State of Kalat being a Hindu Princely State as late as 1650 under Sehwa, the Raja of Kalat.

Khetrans share an extensive lingual similarity with northern Hindkowan, Khatri and Hindki groups such as the Khattars and Awans as well as to an extent with the Saraiki in the south east and thus most probably share an ethnic history as well. This has been cited to in Quddus.S.A The Tribal Baluchistan Ferozsons, 1990. where "the Khetran is a combination of different factions. Some Pathans also got absorbed in this tribe and there are some groups of Indian origin as well."

Further evidence:

“The Khetran are also a tribe of undoubtedly Indian origin, occupying a tract in the Sulaiman Mountains, between the Baloch and Pathan tribes, and still speaking their original Indian language a dialect peculiar to themselves and akin to Sindhi and Jatki…” Dames, M.L., (1904). The Baloch Race: A Historical and Ethnographical Sketch. The Royal Asiatic Society, London.

Also Cited in AN ANALYSIS OF WORLDVIEW OF KHETRAN COMMUNITY THROUGH COLOR TERMS Academic Research International ISSN: 2223-9553 Volume 1, Issue 3, November 2011,

"The language of the majority of the (Khetran) tribe is Barazi a species of Jat language resembling both Sindi and Panjabi; the names of most of the hills and strems in Sewistan are Barazi and are an evidence that formerly this language was spoken all over them."

Sten Konow, Oosters Genootschap in Nederland, Orientalsk samfund (Denmark) - Acta orientalia: Volumes 13-14; Volumes 13-14. Pg.175

"Khetran: The Khetran tribe is not Baluch and so is not included in the Baluch tree, but they are closely associated with the Baluch and warrant some mention. Like the Gichki, they are thought to be of Indian origin, but unlike the Gichki who have taken on the Baluchi language, the Khetran speak an Indian dialect akin to Sindhi and Jatki."

Baluch & Brahui - Tribal Analysis Center. Cultural and Geographic Research. Sept 2009.

"Khetran: It is probable that they are in reality a remnant of the original Jat population ; they speak a dialect of their own called Khetrani which is an Indian dialect closely allied with Sindi, and in fact probably a form of the Jatki speech of the lower Indus. Th» name, as Dames observes, is undoubtedly derived from kheti' ' field.' "

H.A. Rose. "Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North West Frontier Province. Pg535.

It is highly improbable that the Khetran as an isolate group surrounded by Baluchi, Brahui and Pushto speakers would unilaterally take up the use of an unrelated langauge. This is particular as Khetranki is highly idiosyncratic as compared to the other Lahnda languages and has absorbed loanwords from surrounding languages including Pushto and Baluchi as opposed to Punjabi and other closer languages. This all suggests isolation over a long period but nevertheless an affinity to the Punjabis and most likely Khatri heritage given the warlike nature of the tribe. Following from such it seems extremely unlikley that the Khetran are either Baluch or Pakhtoon.

Reference from E.J. Brill's first encyclopaedia of Islam 1913-1936 By M. Th. Houtsma

Hi OmerKhetran
Following up from your note on my talk page and responding to your deletion of cited content,

I have provided a link to the content ,page 631 from the book here

You can see it for yourself .
Intothefire (talk) 18:11, 31 August 2010 (UTC)<br.

Hi OmerKhetran You have again deleted the cited content, inspite of me providing the specific link above .
Please do not delete cited content from reliable sources .
I have reproduced the deleted text here .

“ The Khetrans .It is certain that the whole of the triangular block of hill now occupied by the Marris was in the possession of Indian tribes before the Baloc invasion .They were gradually destroyed or absorbed by the Baloc from the south and the Afghans from the north and such names as Shahdedja among the Marris and Haripal among the Afghans to the north indicate that fragments of these tribes remain among the Baloc and the Afghans .The Khetrans however between the Afghan and the Baloc have preserved their identity and their peculiar Indian dialect (of the Sindhi type) to the present day . ”

Intothefire (talk) 13:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry if you feel that your reliable cited content was deleted but you should come out of your conceit a little bit and see what actually was deleted. And theres no need to reproduce it here, i saw it there the first time. My changes "said" that a separate section has been created and along with other references it has been moved there. It is present under the disputed origin header. Please next time see the full changes before making it personal.

OmerKhetran (talk) 19:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi OmerKhetran,
You have deleted cited content for the third consecutive time . Please do not truncate ,delete without discussion .
As a concensus building measure I am OK with this content being put elsewhere in the article .
Intothefire (talk) 06:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC) Intothefire (talk) 12:28, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

khitran is a persian word

How can u consider khetrans to be indian when they use a persian word after their name, it is clear that they are either Pashtun or baloch. Adilkhan12 (talk) 11:08, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Baloch or Pashtun?

This edit redefined the Khetran as a Pashtun, rather than Baloch, tribe. Now, all references I've come across so far treat them as Baloch, and if indeed it is true – as written in the edit summary – that they are Pashtun who started "adding baloch to [their] names", then this piece of information needs to be explained at greater length, with more context and in a balanced way (for example giving due weight to the view that they are, or at least have been regarded as, Baloch). Another thing that needs to be accounted for is why they speak an Indo-Aryan language (unlike with the Baloch, there is a strong association between Pashtun ethnicity and speaking Pashto). And M u k 666, you need to provide references in the article text, giving fuller bibliographic details about the sources used (just the book title is not enough), see Help:Referencing for beginners. – Uanfala (talk) 13:11, 20 December 2019 (UTC)