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Issues

Format: Sometimes it is difficult to know which picture corresponds to which text.
POV: Some assertions about non-Christian religions should be attributed to some authority. In addition, the use of the crescent in seals is identified as representing the Mother Goddess, when it just as likely is a use of a common heraldic device, or perhaps a symbol of Mary. It seems that there is an agenda in this identification.

An Abrasax/Abraxas amulet appears as a Templar seal on this page [[1]] . No information on its provenance is given; the same image is displayed on the Wiki for Abraxas, with the legend, "Medieval Seal representing Abraxas" [[2]]. Is this, authenticably, a Templar seal? This would indeed be fodder for those who believe the Templars to've been secret practitioners of magic and/or a Gnostic survival. Or is it a plant by such persons? Mikalra 13:22, 12 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This sentence does not follow: "However, in Heidelberg Germany, The Knights Templar Commandery of Heidelberg will destroy the Prince Hall Lodge # 140. The will of the Triumvirate shall be carried out." Does it need to be clarified, or merely removed? DLM 76.4.190.123 00:45, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Templarsign.jpg

This image is not shown and described but it should. -- Scriberius 10:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)The two riders[reply]

Pierre de Montaigu

Pierre de Montaigu
Bertrant de Blancquefort

Bertrant de Blancquefort
Bertrant de Blancquefort

Bertrant de Blancquefort
Geoffroy De Vichier

Geoffroy De Vichier
Gilbert Erail

Gilbert Erail

CristianChirita

Observation

The "unusual uncertified" seal depicted in the article looks very similar to the "Long Cross" design used by Plantagenet kings such as King Henry II [3], King Richard I [4] and King Henry III [5]. The dots in the four quadrants were the symbols added as part of the Plantagenet kingdom.

I can find no information on which design came first, nor can I find anything that clearly defines an origin for this design. However, it is clearly not so unusual as all that, except perhaps in known Templar contexts. Since this small piece of the article has even less information than this observation, it might be good if someone with more knowledge on the subject filled in the gaps or added some article links if it's covered elsewhere.

It's probable the design came first, as King Cnut/Canute [6] used a similar design on his coins. The French Norman coins, in comparison, do NOT use this style of cross. but use something much closer in shape to the cross used by the Templars, as shown in this King William I coin [7].

It's all fine and well to play with coin images, but that tells me nothing about why it's found on a purported Templar seal, whether the image is even intended to be the same, or what role this alternative cross design played in the Knights Templar history, if it played any role at all.