Talk:Läther

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  • A question: since this is a 3 CD box, why are the songs listed as an eight-sided vinyl?... I think this is unneccessary. This way its quitehard to tell which song is on which CD - and anyway: there was NEVER a eight-sided vinyl. hm? mmBálint, Hungary —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.131.82.192 (talk) 16:00, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I understand your confusion, but it is incorrect to say that the package was never an 8 sided vinyl album. The package was prepared by Zappa as 8 vinyl sides in 1977 and widely bootlegged in this and other forms for about 20 years. So many fans are familiar with it in that format. Still, I think it is a good idea to clarify the difference between the bootleg vinyl and CD editions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoni4316 (talkcontribs) 05:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

  • I'm a little confused by the statement "The album does not include "Baby Snakes", a song which was originally planned for the album but never included on any known recording." Unless there is a specifically different version associated with this collection, "Baby Snakes" appears on the album Sheik Yerbouti. [1]24.63.25.206 (talk) 00:45, 22 March 2013 (UTC)delzey

CD release confusion[edit]

From the text: "When the material was first released on CD while Zappa was alive (??? Zappa died in 1993, the CD release was in 1996 ???) he chose to issue the 4 individual album configuration"

Lather wasn't released as Lather until 1996, but the 4-album "versions" were first released on CD - here in the UK via Zappa Records, Music For Nations - in 1991 [source: http://www.lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/vinylvscds/sleepdirt.html etc]

So am about to edit out the bit in question marks :c) 92.62.2.239 (talk) 00:03, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The first CD releases of music from Läther were in the U.S. in 1991 on Zappa's Barking Pumpkin label (distributed by Capitol Records.) The overseas releases came later. Zappa was very much alive when the masters for the first CDs were prepared. Though it is correct that he had died by the time Läther had officially appeared on CD in 1996.--anonymous

No mention of this in Billboard article here, which states that Lather was first officially released by Rykodisc in 1996.WTF (talk) 04:49, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

The four individual albums came first[edit]

It's plainly inaccurate to state that FZ ever delivered Lather to Warner Bros, or that they refused to release it. He didn't, and they didn't. He delivered the tapes for Zappa in New York, Studio Tan, Sleep Dirt and Orchestral Favorites to Warners, and they failed to pay FZ a contractually obligated amount of money within a contractually obligated amount of time. Since they never paid and were in breach of contract *AND* they still had FZ's tapes in their possession, he THEN created the four-LP set and delivered it to Mercury/Phonogram, believing he was free to do so because Warners had violated the terms of their contract. There is a Warner Bros. ad in a June, 1977 issue of Rolling Stone which announces the release of Zappa in New York as "imminent." The 2-track masters for Lather were not even created until July-August 1977 (a brief note dated 8-21-77 is visible on one of the track listings inside the booklet of the Lather triple CD on Rykodisc.) You can't simply state that Lather was "re-edited" into the other albums, as some of them contain material which is not on Lather and the reverse is also true, as it contains material that was recorded both before and after ANYTHING on the four individual albums (the "newest" material on Lather is taken from live tapes recorded in London in February 1977.) This article really needs some work done on it to reflect what actually happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.25.63.54 (talk) 01:23, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

CD version vs. "planned" four-album set[edit]

Article states While the official CD version of Läther released is based on the planned quadruple album, it contains deviations from the original version, such as the additional spoken interludes and percussion-based sound effects. The 4-LP test pressing, the records that FZ played on the radio and all subsequent bootlegs derived from both include the spoken and percussion interludes (FZ referred to them as "grouts"). The CD version is exactly the 2-track masters that were located in the vault. I believe Joe Travers and Spencer Chrislu have both stated that while one of the tape boxes does show a slightly different track listing (the one that contains "Baby Snakes", pictured in the CD booklet) the tape found inside that box matches what was on the test pressing. 65.25.63.54 (talk) 10:59, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

 Done. While this is what I've always heard, Gail Zappa's liner notes to the original CD seem to imply that additional tapes were used. Not to mention that the production is referred to as "the resurrection and reconstitution of "Leather." Friginator (talk) 17:27, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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