Talk:Lalla Ward/Archive

The Honourable

That Ward has said that she does not have the style/honorific/title "The Honourable" does not make it so. Any daughter of a viscount bears this style/honorific/title. She may not use the style, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have it. john k 13:02, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

You may be right, but it seems a touch unfair to hang it round her neck if she doesn't want it.—Laurence Boyce 14:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I would have no problem with removing the section entirely. It's not terribly important. But we shouldn't mislead, and her statement is totally misleading:

When interviewed by Doctor Who Magazine in 2004, she stated quite categorically that she does not have the title The Honourable, she just happens to be the daughter of a Viscount and has no title in her own right. "I'm not the Honourable anything...I really don't know where this 'Honourable' thing came from," she resignedly said.

Anyone who "just happens" to be the daughter of a Viscount has the title/style of "the Honourable." This is, in fact, where "this 'Honourable' thing" came from. The implication is not that she is a peer, or has a title in her own right. Essentially, "the Honourable" just means in this case "daughter of a Viscount." She is simply completely wrong, and we shouldn't imply otherwise. The wikipedia article on The Honourable explains fairly clear, although there is unfortunately no citation:

In the United Kingdom, all sons and daughters of viscounts and barons and the younger sons of earls are styled with this prefix. (The daughters and younger sons of dukes and marquesses and the daughters of earls have the higher style of Lord or Lady before their first names, and the eldest sons of dukes, marquesses and earls are known by one of their father or mother's subsidiary titles.) The style is only a courtesy one, however, and on legal documents they are described as, for instance, John Smith, Esq., commonly called The Honourable John Smith. As the wives of sons of peers share the titles of their husbands, the wives of the sons of viscounts and barons and the younger sons of earls are known as, e.g., The Hon. Mrs John Smith.

I'd suggest, as a solution, that we just remove the whole business. Alternately, we could point out that she's wrong. john k 16:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, let's remove it.—Laurence Boyce 17:36, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

As a subsidiary point, David J Howe's 'Doctor Who - The Seventies' states that her full title is/can be 'Lady Sarah Crighton Ward' - I don't know if he's wrong or not, but I thought I'd add a note for someone to chase up. 80.47.173.66 13:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Something I found in relation to this: [1]. I've changed the intro accordingly. --Mal 15:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Coming in late here, but I just dug out that 2004 Doctor Who Magazine interview while looking for something else, and noticed that the quote above completely misrepresents what Ward actually said. Here's what the magazine actually says:

"I've never been Lady anything," she insists, "despite what everyone seems to think." Contrary to what it says in certain biographies, Lalla was not born Lady Sarah Ward. "I don't know where that comes from. My father was Lord something, which is boring," she mutters, "but there we are. These things happen. It's not my fault. That makes me an 'Honourable'. You always are if your father happens to have had that sort of title. I don't know where 'Lady Sarah' came from. From watching Thunderbirds, I suspect — a mismatch between Doctor Who and Lady Penelope. I was called Sarah, but never Lady."

The anonymous editor who inserted the claim that she had denied being "Honourable" was in error.

Incidentally, I suspect that David Tennant would disagree with the sentiment that Doctor Who and Lady Penelope are a mismatch... —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

To clear up a bit of the confusion here: as the daughter of a viscount, Ms. Ward's style from birth was "The Hon. Sarah Ward." (That's assuming "Sarah" is her birth name; the article never actually says.) However, now that's she's married, that changes, and her style would actually be "The Hon. Mrs. Dawkins." However, I'm sure she doesn't use any of her styles, so it's really quite irrelevant. 150.243.210.170 (talk) 19:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Source for quote about Tom Baker?

Does anyone know where the quotation about Ward's marriage to Tom Baker comes from? I found a website which had it, but it's not really a reliable source. Ward speaks about her marriage to Baker in the 2004 Doctor Who Magazine interview in somewhat less tactful terms — the quotation we have seems to fit better in an encyclopedia entry than what she said in 2004. If anyone knows where the quotation comes from, please replace the web citation with a better one. Thanks! —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The citation that's there now was broken, and I have repaired it so that it points to the intended location. Snezzy (talk) 17:02, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

How Long Will the Image Last?

Good luck with keeping the image of Lalla in the article. The last image was removed. I disputed this with Quadell for the same reasons given in the rationale for this photo and undid the removal only to find my undoing was undone. The image police may see fit to remove the image despite the fair rationale given. So expect it to go soon.A great shame. It's a good photo nonetheless.--Godfinger 20:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

It looks like a reasonable case for fair use to me, but I really don'tunderstand US copyright law. But it is important to tag it properly and make the case before someone gets in with a speedy request for deletion. Interestingly the image was removed by someone pushing a rival image with a similar fair use rational. In the end maybe someone wikipedian will just have to visit Lalla and get a photo themselves, or at least write to her agent or the BBC for permission Billlion 22:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe there is something about fair use that I don't understand but this constant image removal sure is annoying a lot of people. I certainly think a photo of Lalla as Romana would be the most appropriate one to have because it is the role she is mainly known for. --Godfinger 22:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I am not exactly sure how picture permissions work. Does anybody know if it is OK to use this lovely, recent picture found posted in this forum? C8755 (talk) 19:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

• Only if its photographer is prepared to release it under a suitable licence- preferably totally free, but "with-attribution" is OK. We can't assume it's copyright-free, however, and use it without permission, lovely though it is. If you're a member of that forum, can you ask him to release it and preferably upload it himself, that way he can certify the release? It would save me a trip to Oxford if he can! --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 19:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

rqimg

reqimage - Done --Rodhullandemu 16:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Question

I have been trying to add an actor infobox to this article using the following code (with appropriate line breaks):

{{Infobox Actor | name = Lalla Ward | image = Replace this image female.svg | caption = | birth_date = {{birth date and age|1951|6|28}} | birth_place = | death_date = | death_place = | occupation = Actress, illustrator | salary = | networth = | spouse = [[Tom Baker]] (1981-1983)<br>[[Richard Dawkins]] (1992-present) | website = | footnotes = | children = }}

However, when I preview the edit, the box does not show up. If I use the same code in my sandbox it shows up OK. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks. --ukexpat 20:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Works for me. Also added screencap from "Vampire Circus", uploaded with justification. --Rodhullandemu 16:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Astrology?

Amazon lists Lalla Ward as the illustrator of [http://www.amazon.com/Astrology-Cats-William-Fairchild/dp/0241104858/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195587091&sr=1-1 Astrology for Cats]. Publisher: Elm Tree (1980), ISBN-10: 0241104858, out of print. Does anybody know anything about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cherlin (talk • contribs) 05:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Asteriod

Anyone know how an asteroid got named after her? It would probably make an interesting addition, if only as a bit of trivia.--Jacobpaige (talk) 09:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Great-Grandmother?

I've been told she's the great-granddaughter of Mary Ward. Can someone confirm this from a citable source? -- Davidkevin (talk) 16:24, 9 June 2009 (UTC)