Talk:List of Chuck characters

Character Descriptions

Most of the descriptions hold tons of info that isn't really necessary. I think most should be trimmed down to a few basic facts about their character. Jrssr5 17:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

• Yes, many of the descriptions are too long, especially for the characters who already have their own page. Allanlw 05:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Ok, I cut out some of the excess character description. Allanlw 05:24, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
• Is it worth noting that Big Mike has unknowingly taken out two Fulcrum operatives (Nathan Rhyerson and Leader) ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jclinard (talk • contribs) 01:58, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Carina?

Could Carina be Sarah's sister? Sarah mentions her sister in the same episode that Carina appears in. Also there were several lines that lead towards the conclusion from Chuck vs the Wookie including:

"Why couldn't you just have called?"

and

"I hate your methods, but I gotta admit..."

• Interesting idea, however I think the implication is that Sarah and Carina are just long-time acquaintances and friends and there's no other relationship between them. Also, the first thing Carina asked in the episode is what Sarah's cover was (not even BRYCE seemed aware that Sarah Walker was just a cover name, as he identifies her by this name the first time he sees her in Nemesis).

Chuck vs. the Delorean shows that Sarah and her father were on their own at LEAST as early as the early/mid-90s, so it's highly unlikely Sarah's sister would be aware she worked for the CIA (even her father didn't know). It definitely appears that her mother and sister were out of the picture sometime in the 90s--before Sarah was recruited by Graham--and her sister turning out to be a government agent too would just be WAY too much of a coincidence (one that, IMO, is already becoming somewhat overused by having Jill turn out to be Fulcrum).

Considering how Sarah has revealed VERY little accurate information about her past--and much of what she has is tied up with half-truths and fabrications--I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out Sarah having a sister is just an invention as part of her cover. Ambaryer (talk) 06:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Sarah Walker's Real Name

Guys, pay attention to the show. Jenny Burton is NOT Sarah's real name. According to Graham the name she has on her legal birth certificate is something else entirely. She only continues using that name around Chuck because CHUCK doesn't know it's not her real name. Stop changing the page already! Ambaryer (talk) 05:35, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Casey's Rank

The problem with identifying Casey's rank is that while the normal progression IS Major -> Lt. Colonel -> Colonel, the episode itself doesn't specify which rank Casey received, and BOTH Lt. Colonel and Colonel are frequently referred to as just "Colonel" in casual usage. Skipping grades on a promotion isn't typical, but it's not impossible, either, so Casey could easily have been given a special promotion to full Colonel. Just calling him "Colonel" for now would be accurate for both ranks until we can determine which one it actually is. Ambaryer (talk) 20:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I am pretty sure it is safe to assume Casey is a full colonel after "Chuck Versus the Couch Lock". The Wikipedia article for the episode states: "Casey wears the eagle insignia on his uniform, ultimately clarifying the fact that he is a full colonel." Master of U (talk) 19:40, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned references in List of characters in Chuck

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of characters in Chuck's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "seduction":

• From Morgan Grimes: "Chuck Versus the Seduction"
• From Sarah Walker (Chuck): "Chuck vs. the Seduction"

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 06:56, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

The tricky part is that both formats ARE technically correct. Official medial primarily uses "Versus," but the same sources also at times abbreviate as vs. for space considerations. However I would say that "Versus" should take precedent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambaryer (talk • contribs) 12:42, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Page Maintenance/Organization

Moving into the third season, the list of characters on Chuck is really growing rather long. Do you think there's enough to warrant breaking down the character listing into separate pages? Something like, say, List of Chuck Secret Agents, List of Chuck Civilian Characters, etc., etc.? Also, a "Buy More" page could be created where recurring characters at the Buy More like Big Mike and Emmett can be given more in-depth character pages (like the Beckman/Graham and Nerd Herd pages). Ambaryer (talk) 03:59, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I would argue that three wikipages should be created. "The Ring (Chuck)" (with the "Fulcrum" page merged into it) and "Buy More" (with the "Nerd Herd" page merged into it) are notable enough to the series that they merit their own pages. And third, create a "List of minor characters in Chuck" for the villains, allies and others who only show up in one or two episodes.

That would leave Chuck, Chuck's main spy allies (Sarah, Casey, Bryce, Beckman/Graham, and soon Shaw), Chuck's family, and perhaps Morgan since his character exists substantially outside the Buy More subplots.-DurandalsFate (talk) 05:39, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the Nerd Herd could easily be merged with a Buy More page. Neither are so large on their own that they would be excessively long and you can't really separate the Herd out from the Buy More. I do think that FULCRUM and the Ring should each have their own pages, though. For one, we don't know yet just HOW integrated FULCRUM is with the Ring yet. Certainly, JS and CF have already stated that the goals of FULCRUM and the Ring are independent of each other, which in my mind further warrants that they each have their own pages. We also don't know yet whether FULCRUM will even be mentioned as an independent entity in the third season. The FULCRUM page already has a LARGE number of characters as it is. I think a better approach would be to link FULCRUM to The Ring's page, but still make it separate.

What about creating a new Infobox, customized specifically towards organizations appearing in Chuck that could appear in the articles for FULCRUM, The Ring, and any other of its member factions (I'm sure we'll learn that The Ring has more members than just FULCRUM)? Say, with a line for "Affiliated Organizations?" That could allow us to sort some of the minor character bios. This could be extended to other groups within the "Chuckverse" like the CIA and NSA.

Shaw will DEFINITELY need his own page. I'm sure we have enough information to go on already to create it now, at least as far as the behind-the-scenes development goes.Ambaryer (talk) 06:58, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I would caution that it's an open question whether enough info about each other faction in The Ring will be sufficient to merit its own page, so that Infobox line of affiliated organizations may not have much to it. We do know that Fulcrum is "just one part of The Ring," but I can understand wanting to keep them separate, at least for now. We can discuss other proposals on the Talk:Fulcrum (Chuck) page or the Talk page for The Ring (Chuck) when that's created.

As for this page, the biggest steps toward making the list manageable will be creating a "List of minor characters" and, to a lesser extent, the "Buy More" page.-DurandalsFate (talk) 09:34, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

True, some factions of The Ring may not need their own page. But we could also extend this to organizations OUTSIDE the Ring. Such as the CIA, with information on their organization and operations as it exists in the Chuckverse and how it compares to the real world, as well as listing the CIA characters such as Forrest and Montgomery. Other possibilities include the Chinese Triad or Russian Mafia, who have been mentioned a couple times.

The problems with the "List of Minor Characters" page is that's ALREADY what we essentially have here. You look through the list of "Other Opponents" and "Allies," and that's about 30 characters already with one or two appearances. That list is just going to grow even more.Ambaryer (talk) 16:05, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Lists of minor characters are expected to sometimes be long; see List of minor Buffy the Vampire Slayer characters. But it helps to separate them from the main characters.

Categorizing a List of minor Chuck characters by organization, with a brief description of how their organizations operate in the Chuck universe at the top of each category, would seem reasonable to me.

Further, I would suggest that even "CIA (Chuck)" and "NSA (Chuck)" would not have enough utility to justify their own pages. The CIA and NSA have very little that distinguishes their operations in the Chuck universe so far. A unified page describing the entire legitimate spy world of Chuck (NSA and CIA, with a bit about MI6 and DEA) may have enough utility to justify its own page.--DurandalsFate (talk) 17:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Volkoff

I would say Hugo and Heather should not be added to Volkoff for the same reason Colt and Banicek weren't listed for Fulcrum: Neither was actually a Volkoff operative but were outside contractors. Heather was self-employed (per Cougars) and was making a deal with him, rather than actually working FOR him. Hugo was just hired to kill Heather. Ambaryer (talk) 22:56, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

As of "Aisle of Terror," Mary should be added to this section. Also, should associates (Heather Chandler, Dr. Stanley Wheelwright) and bodyguards (Lou Ferrigno and Roland Kickinger's characters) be added as in the Fulcrum page? --Boycool (talk) 22:43, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Given that even within the episode Mary's actual status is in dispute I would say that no, she should not yet be added. Heather Chandler was never said to actually be an employee of Volkoff, only that her husband's F-22 design was intended for him. Wheelwright, however WAS specifically identified by Mary as a Volkoff weapons designer, so he does belong. Bodyguards--unless they are specifically identified as Volkoff's men--can arguably be considered mercenaries, so would not belong there (Dr. Busgang is a poor comparison, because he WAS working directly for Fulcrum whether he realized it or not, however Colt and Banichek were removed from the Fulcrum page because they were independent mercenaries). Ambaryer (talk) 23:46, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Should Barbara (Monet Mazur), computer expert K.K. (Andre Kincaid), and top North American assasins Pierre, Victor, and Hercule be added to the page? --Boycool (talk) 22:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Move to separate page

This section is building up, and I think it deserves its own page. I can upload the Volkoff logo when I have somewhere to put it. Also, there's a bit of (probably soon to be retconned) information about Volkoff himself here. --Boycool (talk) 20:05, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

It's probably getting to that point, at least for the character listing since we know very little about the group as a whole. The Volkoff logo can be uploaded to Wiki when the page is created. Ambaryer (talk) 20:26, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Sandbox. --Boycool (talk) 02:03, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree, its at the point where Volkoff can have its own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.214.53 (talk) 19:45, 5 November 2010 (UTC)