Talk:List of G.I. Joe: Renegades episodes

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What's With The 1.??

It's not supposed to be the 1.??. It's supposed to be the episode # & then the episode # again (for the 1st season.) Episode # means the episode # in the whole series, and the season # means the episode's # in the season.--WikiEditor44 (talk) 15:40, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Episode order

Why were the episodes renumbered and knocked out of order? The production code and the episode order aren't the same thing: it's not unusual for a studio to work on late-season episodes before ones from earlier in the season. With perhaps only a few exceptions, the "episode number" and "original airdate" should match one another, regardless of what the production number is. Hasbro's site has been listing the episodes that way, and they'd be a primary source for these things. Does anyone have a good excuse for the change before I put it back the way it used to be? And while we're at it, do we have a source for the modified production codes? --There are no names left (talk) 07:58, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you simply watch the episodes in this order, you'll understand that this is the correct chronological story order they are supposed to be aired in - the Joes getting their civilian guises, the Dreadnok motorcycle, the fate of the jeep they stole from Flint, and Duke's changing attitude towards Snake-Eyes all fall in the obvious-with-hindsight proper order, whereas in broadcast order, they don't make sense, along with the fact that the game-changing events of "Homecoming" (Flint's change of heart and Cobra Commander's desire for a smear campaign) have not impacted on any of the episodes broadcast after it, because they're set before it. But that's just observation, I know - so as far as sources go, the clearest indicator of this is the fact that in Canada, Teletoon is actually 'airing them in this order, the way they are intended to be seen. Further, DVR episode information attached to each broadcast on the Hub gives them the numbers seen on this list, which actively correspond to the order of the Canadian broadcast. They literally only aired out of order (and they are out of order) so the Christmas episode could air at Christmas. Further, episode lists on Wikipedia do not have to be in airdate order alone, especially when they're the wrong order to watch the show in. For a random example, take the 90s Spider-Man cartoon - in the third season, every episode is a numbered, chronologically ordered chapter of a long-running story, but some episodes ran out of order. Yet Wikipedia lists them in their proper intended order, because that is sensible. To actively list the story out of order is just obfuscatory. - 86.182.73.115 (talk) 14:33, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why not make the table more like the one on the List of Pokemon page? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pok%C3%A9mon_episodes. It would have two columns, with United States in one and Canada in the other, listing the date they aired. — Preceding unsigned comment added by P3771 (talk • contribs) 03:54, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good idea, P3771. --There are no names left (talk) 08:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Sorry it took me so long to reply, don't know why I didn't see it before.P3771 (talk) 18:06, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't argue that the narrative thread will make more sense with the two "Homecoming" episodes moved later in the season, but that alone isn't enough evidence to support changing the order as it was. Hasbro's official site has been listing the episodes the way they were before: "Rage" is 8, "Dreadnoks" is 9, "Busted" is 10. Next week they'll list "Enemy" as 11. DVR info provided by a cable company isn't enough to supersede the production company's own published info. For all we know, the way we've been seeing it is the production order. One day, the producer walked into the studio and said "hey guys, start drawing 'Homecoming.' The script for 'Rage' isn't ready yet." Again, there's nothing saying the production order and the airing/narrative order have to be the same thing, and it seems out of place for us to assume it is. I agree with you that it's almost 100% certain "Homecoming" was shown early (another good indicator of the screwy order? Whether or not they know how to use the camo mode on the Coyote.) but us thinking it isn't enough reason to declare it a fact, right? And it's no indicator of what the show's internal production order is; we shouldn't assume those match either the US or Canadian broadcasts. --There are no names left (talk) 08:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I get what you're saying, but I think it's just as disingenuous to assume the airing order is the production order, when the signs are clearly indicating that the airing order had everything to do with the placement of Christmas, rather than the order they were made. Cause when this hits DVD, you can bet they'll be in the Canadian, story-correct order. In the final analysis, though, the "production numbers" here, and indeed, on MOST Wikipedia episode lists, are just made up anyway - who can say what the internal numbers are? "101"? "102"? That's just a handy shorthand. Used to be a production number would be #600-39 or something. I think the best compromise might be to scrap the production number column, and go with P3771's suggestion above - adding two columns for US and Canadian airdates, perhaps with the ability to click to reorder the table to either specification, with a note at the top of the article explanation than the Canadian broadcast is the correct viewing order. - 109.153.4.232 (talk) 10:19, 7 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A-ha! An official Q&A with Hasbro has confirmed the correct order, along with the fact that they only broadcast "Homecoming" early because of Christmas! - Chris McFeely (talk) 11:05, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome! Everybody working together to get the right info! --There are no names left (talk) 06:44, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone please consider adding an additional column to denote the proper production order? Hasbro has commented publicly that the premier order IS NOT the intended viewing order or production order. ~Hammer

Someone changed the list to airdate order. I've restored the correct production/viewing/chronlogical story order. - Chris McFeely (talk) 14:05, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DVD/Blu-ray news

I added the home video release dates. Before anyone gets edit happy, the info is correct. It was split into two parts for the DVDs, but the Blu-ray version will contain the entire season. (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/GI-Joe-Renegades-Season-1/17064) Thanks. — WylieCoyote 22:39, 8 June 2012 (UTC)