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Uncanny X-Men vs Wolverine and the X-Men

Since this appears to be an ongoing problem, and since the New Additions section has gotten so long, I'm creating this section to talk about this issue, specifically.

First and foremost, BOTH of the teams are X-Men. I don't know where that seems to have been lost in translation, but it has. Yes, there was a "schism" between Cyclops and Wolverine, but the split ended up being amicable, with both men agreeing to go their own ways to fulfill the X-Men dream in their own methods. Nowhere did Scott say that Wolverine could not call his team X-Men, nor did Wolverine say either before or in the first issue that they would call themselves anything other than X-Men. Heck, the word X-Men is right there in the title Wolverine and the X-Men! The book would not be called that if they were not X-Men, plain and simple. Until they say in the book, flat out, that they are rejecting the name of X-Men and are calling themselves something completely different, then they are still X-Men, and are going to continue to be listed as such. That is the truth of what has happened in the comics, and that is how it will be listed on this site.

If it helps, think of it as a new modern version of the Blue and Gold teams from the 90s. Two completely different teams, doing their own things, but just separated by more distance, but still trying to do what they think is best for the mutant race under the name of X-Men. Either way, there is NOTHING that says Wolverine's group is no longer members of the X-Men and that is why they are still listed as such with the note section saying where they stand with the title listings. 69.250.56.64 (talk) 21:00, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. DeadpoolRP (talk) 23:15, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Just a quick question that is mostly related to this sub-topic (regenesis), Is X-Men: Legacy (volume 2) also being re-launched with a #1 issue? I've seen solicitations for a #1, a #261 which would be the next in sequence, and a #260.1. I don't know what to believe until it gets sorted out. Thanks in advance to insight.Tomahawk1221 (talk) 01:45, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Christos Gage's run starts with the point one issue (#260.1), though the Legacy "Regenesis" tie-in starts with #259, still by Mike Carey. There's not going to be a new #1 issue, so it's odd that some places have been reporting that! DeadpoolRP (talk) 15:32, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Mimic addition to Excalibur Roster

Mimic has been included in this list previously. I've since re-added him as I have ample evidence and sources to support this per criteria for this page. Please see all links provided, INCLUDING Marvel's own official source. http://marvel.com/universe/Excalibur http://marvel.com/universe/Mimic_(Calvin_Rankin) (Group Affiliation = Excalibur) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimic_(comics) (Group Affiliation = Excalibur) http://marvel.wikia.com/Calvin_Rankin_(Earth-616) (Group Affiliation = Excalibur) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excalibur_(comics) (Listed in Members) http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=4039 (Issue #123 - read for obvious inclusion of him into team) http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=4040 (Issue #124 - read for obvious inclusion of him into team) http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=4085 (Issue #125 - read for obvious inclusion of him into team)

Mimic is/was added to the team as a member, it just so happens the title was nearing its run and was canceled by Marvel. Although he was not a long standing member, it is correct to place him among the Excalibur roster. If you disagree, please provide facts (I've included 8 above...), instead of personal opinion. Tomahawk1221 (talk) 02:27, 24 March 2012 (UTC) You've listed wikis that anyone can edit (Marvel.com is still a wiki, bar a few protected pages, and Marvel.wikia.com is an unofficial fan site that likes to make itself look official when it's not), and unofficial fan sites such as Uncannyxmen.net. "Marvel's own official source" is the Marvel handbooks, and they do not include Mimic as a member of Excalibur, either in his own entry or in Excalibur's. 86.130.64.141 (talk) 21:06, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

That's exactly right: none of Mimic's handbook entries have listed Excalibur as a group affiliation, and none of the Excalibur entries have listed Mimic as a member. DeadpoolRP (talk) 23:24, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough, however, I'd like to point out that perhaps the official marvel handbook writers/editors are capable of errors/omissions. For instance in the Marvel Handbook Vol. 13, Archer is not listed in X-Factor, and his counterparts, Fixx and Greystone are. Clearly an oversight and incorrect omission, if this leads to the removal of Archer on this page simply because he was falsely not included in the handbook, then you too would be wrong (do not omit Archer as he is CLEARLY a member of the old X-Factor team!!). Just wanted to point out that there are incompletes and errors possible even by the official handbook.Tomahawk1221 (talk) 01:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC) Handbooks can make mistakes. No one is disputing that. However, you are wrong, and the handbook is right, when it comes to Archer and X-Factor. Unlike his two teammates, Archer turned down Havok's invitation to join the team, as shown in X-Factor #149. 86.130.64.217 (talk) 20:15, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

So are you ignoring everyone else's comments even though you're the only one who thinks Mimic should be on the list? Or have you located some new evidence you'd like to share with us? DeadpoolRP (talk) 20:21, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

One simple question: is he or is he not an ally? Go ahead and look at the X-Men ally list, and tell me, using the existing ally rationale, why he's not at least this category. I'm not pushing for his membership status, and haven't since May. It's simple, yet seems to be wildly complicated and contentious. An ally, the evidence is above in this talk section, plus common sense, minus people being lame, equals I'm over it (ie: the admittance of wrongly reverting, so no, I'm not ignoring Deadpool, provide anything at all that disproves he's at least an ally of excalibur..Tomahawk1221 (talk) 21:16, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

No, you're right, ally will probably be fine with everyone. It would have been nice, though, if you'd mentioned that in one or both of your edit summaries. I just saw you changing the Excalibur section and then reverting back without any kind of explanation when somebody reverted it, so I misinterpreted the situation. The person who reverted you probably did the same thing since you gave no explanation in the edit summary and when you just compare changes you can't tell that he's in the ally section--it looks like you just added him right back to the members section. So, I don't see why anyone would be opposed to this now, as long as they understand he's in the ally section.

Oh, and I also wish the whole discussion here of his ally status hadn't been deleted. Some good points were made. But oh well, what's done is done, right? DeadpoolRP (talk) 21:28, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Here's the removed discussion: Tomahawk1221 (talk) 00:07, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Responding to edit/revert:"um wasn't this already discussed on the talk page with you that he's not confirmed by Marvel?"

− Wow, so basically NONE of the "ALLIES" on this entire page are in handbooks or confirmed... I merely added him to allies, and YES, we did discuss this and since he doesn't qualify for official member status then he damn well qualifies for an ally. Quit taking yourself so seriously... I'm reverting back and DISCUSS here, and I want a consensus! I'd like to see you qualify for him not being at most/at least an ALLY.Tomahawk1221 (talk) 01:32, 26 September 2012 (UTC) −

I think you need to learn that not everyone is out to get you if they change an edit you make, so take a chill pill. Sheesh. You're acting like someone punched your mother.68.33.140.207 (talk) 22:53, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

− I'll take a chill pill when I'm not chastised for legitimate edits. My guess is that you were quick to say "didn't we already talk to you about this" without seeing my addition was legit a.k.a. don't be a quick draw with the whole supervisory tone, over itTomahawk1221 (talk) 02:58, 27 September 2012 (UTC) −

There was no "tone". It's text on a webpage. It doesn't have a "tone" unless you give it one, like your overusage of caps or attacking language ie "Quit taking yourself so seriously", or you imagine it in your head. All I did was ask a question of why you were adding him when it was already said he shouldn't have been. I may have made a mistake in seeing where you put him, but my simple revision and question of why he was added did not call for you to have a meltdown. All you had to do is revert it back with the summary that you put him as an ally not a member, and voila it's over. You really seem to have a problem in thinking that any move on this site that goes against you, no matter how nonchalant, is an attack against you. I've seen most of your tirades against DeadpoolRP on this very page, so I know that this isn't a one time thing. Maybe you need to stand back and take stock of yourself, and realize that a simple little website isn't something that deserves getting all bent out of shape about. 68.33.140.207 (talk) 22:25, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

how much of this list is WP:SYNTH

It seems a lot of this article is sourced to individual issues. There is exactly one other source cited: the "Official Handbook", which barely, if at all, counts as a secondary source - it's certainly not an independent one, and it's being used here as a primary source in some bits, for example the name of Rogue's team. This is strongly discouraged by WP:WAF, which places emphasis on the need for secondary sources. How much of this page is genuinely sourceable to secondary sources and it just badly cited at the moment, versus being our own original analysis of the source material? Morwen (Talk) 15:27, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Refining the list

hey i have refined this article to give a clear presentation of article and adjusted major teams like x-facotr and x-force,new mutants. i want to ask whether we should list wolverine' x-men in a new subsection coz as we know wolverine has ihis own x-men now after schism so we should create new subsection for wolverine's side or not ??? --Shoxee1214 (talk) 21:10, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

The article was fine the way it was before. The subsections were done the way they were for how they actually fit into the X-Men fold. For instance, the current X-Force incarnation is considered an sub-group of the actual current X-Men, while the Cable founded one was it's own separate thing. X-Factor members have never been considered full X-Men, hence why they were under the splinter section to show how much further removed they are from the official team, which is what this article is to focus on, the X-Men and their members, not every X-team there was. That's what their own pages are for. Reverting it back to the way it was. Try test edits next time and put them up here for consideration before making such a major edit. 68.33.140.207 (talk) 21:25, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Also, X-Men are X-Men. There does not need to be any delineation between Wolverine's X-Men and Cyclops' X-Men. We already had this discussion back when Schism first happened. This article is already long enough as it is, there doesn't need to be any separate lists that say the same thing when we already use the "Currently seen in" notes within the main list to show where they are currently standing, because while they were separate teams, just like the Blue and Gold era, they were all still X-Men. 68.33.140.207 (talk) 21:35, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

hey look i dnt why u r saying "we had this discussion before" coz this is the first time i am making edits and i was not disturbing the edit what i felt good was what i did so if that was wrong then good its been clear. but can u tell me what is difference between splinter and substitute team?? coz i dont know which is considerded officially part of x-men ,splinter or substitute. Thanks --Shoxee1214 (talk) 10:49, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I said that because I meant "we" as in other users having to mark this distinction in the past with other people, not "we" as in "me and you." Substitute teams are teams that have come in and temporarily taken the name of X-Men and working towards Xavier's dream, sometimes without even becoming full members as they'll leave shortly after starting or they're slightly separate teams that work in conjunction with the main X-Men, also without a guarantee of full membership like X-Club or the Lights. Splinter teams are teams that, while still having a slight goal with Xavier's dream in mind, usually are off doing their own thing with more of their own goals in mind and not working in conjunction with the X-Men like X-Factor or Excalibur. And for the love of god please do not use text speak. It is such a pain to try to read. 68.33.140.207 (talk) 13:49, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, the major edits and reordering of sections was inaccurate. I will admit to learning awhile back that the Marvel official handbook (vol. 13 specifically) delineates the structure of the x-men and their substitute teams and also the structure of splinter teams. Just to put it out there that Shoxee1214 should refer to said handbook for official status. The following question is unrelated but have been meaning to ask in a new section on the talk page anyway, but does anyone know about potential new additions/members to the main team with the upcoming "All-New" book? Specifically, there is an unidentified woman in street clothes on the far left panel of the gatefold cover of All-New X-Men. Or other insight to upcoming new members in the Marvel NOW books? (and also saw advert for something titled just "Uncanny"...) (in my opinion a relaunch after a relaunch just a year ago seems lame)... Thanks. Tomahawk1221 (talk) 03:10, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

We'll have to wait and see when the issues that deal with those things come out. Mainly the All-New and new Uncanny ones. We know that Cyclops is supposed to be trying to recruit some of the new mutants that are popping up and it will all likely depend on how Cyclops defines his little team in the pages, because they could fit on the main list, or could go under either the sub or splinter groups. 68.33.140.207 (talk) 13:49, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, we'll have to wait and see. Bendis has mentioned that there will be new X-Men pretty much right from the beginning of his run, but we won't know who until it happens. Interviews with Bendis and Gillen give me the impression that Cyclops, Magneto, and Magik could very well continue to use the X-Men name (and they're all still in their X-Men uniforms at the end of AVX: Consequences #5) for their revolutionary mutant group, which is why I think people are being hasty when they change these characters to inactive status. The X-Men are in an undefined state of flux at the moment between AVX and Marvel Now, so I'd suggest continuing to consider people active X-Men until we get some kind of confirmation that they no longer are X-Men. Similarly, just because Husk quit her job as a teacher at the school doesn't mean she's no longer an X-Man, unless it's actually said that somewhere and I missed it.

Two changes I would consider making:

(1.) Danger said she would be following her own path after breaking Cyclops out of prison, so I'd say we're safe listing her as no longer active as an X-Men member.

(2.) For the last few months Blink has been listed as a member on the recap page of New Mutants, so I'd say she should be added to the main X-Men members list.

Was Doop's status clarified at all in the recent Wolverine and the X-Men issue spotlighting him (#17, I believe)? I'm a bit behind on the series, so I'm not sure. However, the "You'll have to get past the X-Men!" line in Wolverine and the X-Men #14 gives some credence to the idea that he (and Krakoa, Toad, and Deathlok) is a member of the team. DeadpoolRP (talk) 15:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. Turns out Wolverine's pretty direct and clear about it in Wolverine and the X-Men #17. He says to Doop, "What do you say, Doop? Are you ready to be an X-Man?" Doops answers in Doopspeak, to which Wolverine replies, "Very funny. But I'm not leaving until you say yes", and Doop eventually agrees to come to the school. DeadpoolRP (talk) 16:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Blink's addition is fine, however the proposal for Doop is off base. Left to interpretation, text bubbles and conversation don't equate to official status. I could point to similar instances of your proposed new additions based on hunches and interpretation before the OHMU handbook came out, and when it did there was zero mention of your proposals, so for the sake of consistency and reality let's hold off on the Doop addition, please? Other opinions on this? Tomahawk1221 (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

The following are pretty solid assumptions as to future additions to this list, both main team and splinter groups (X-Force specifically). Now of course I won't and nobody should go and add these right now, however I've noticed that on the Avengers members list people add new members from solicits months before it's official or the issues are physically released and no one seems to get all bent out of shape, so if these were added I wouldn't fuss because it's simply obvious from covers to #1 issues with new MarvelNOW titles that we'll be adding these characters anyway. Feel free to discuss the following and add if you have any more insight -

X-Men main list: 1. Eva 2. Christopher (code names to be revealed) from All-New X-Men Cable and X-Force (Cable Founded 2010's Recruits) - Dr. Nemesis, Colossus, & Forge Uncanny X-Force (Presumably X-Force Strike Team) - Spiral, Puck, Cluster, Storm Tomahawk1221 (talk) 05:33, 18 November 2012 (UTC) How do we want to address the various new students that have popped up in Wolverine and the X-Men? Characters like Broo, Kid Gladiator, and Genesis, as well as new mutants that have popped up like Eye Guy, Shark Girl, and Jia? Do we add them to X-Men in Training or create a new student section for the Jean Grey school? Technically all the students except for one or two are back under the same roof now, the majority of which make up the X-Men in Training section, which was the most recent of how they've been listed, so I figure that's the best place to put them all, maybe with a note saying that they now study at the Jean Grey school in the top bar. 68.33.142.75 (talk) 19:00, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Copy edit

I just did my first (relatively quick) pass at a copy edit of this page, though I just got through the main X-Men team list, and it's still a rough edit. I also made a couple more substantive edits: I added Fiz the Skrull as an honorary X-Man (though I'd love it if someone who actually has ALL of those issues on hand could verify/expand the info), and I moved Lockheed to the main X-Men list because he's been listed as such in various Marvel handbooks (so his status isn't "other"--he's either an official member or an infiltrator, and I don't believe his "infiltration" went nearly as far back as his association with the X-Men; I mean, S.W.O.R.D. is a pretty recent organization, right?). Please don't do a blanket revert of my hours of work if you don't agree with something--discuss it here instead!

Oh, and does anyone know why the rule/line along the left-hand side (and top and bottom) of this page is so abnormal and how to fix it? Instead of having a solid gray line along the left-hand side, top, and bottom of the page (as appears to be the norm for Wikipedia--compare to the Main Page), this one has no line on the top and bottom of the page, and the left-hand side has a solid black line for most of the page's length, with sections at the very top and bottom with no line. Weird. DeadpoolRP

Fiz was an actual X-Man

Prior and after The Maximum Security storyline, Xavier takes it on himself to teach a group of Skrull Mutants. Fiz graduates and fought with the X-Men in some 1999 storylines. It's always bothered me that the Skrulls were never included on this page and someone can rectify it. - (User:MorbidChid) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MorbidChid (talk • contribs) 23:25, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

The current list

I have some huge complaints about the current list of X-Men. There are characters appearing in X-books that are not considered X-Men, yet there are characters that have been inactive for years (and NOT shown to be operating as X-Men) that are bold.

I say this needs to be fixed right away. First of, the characters that used to be on Utopia and have NOT been shown in any of the other titles since can be taken off as bold X-Men members. Warpath for example never joined Wolverine's school and has not been shown moving into the mansion or staying with the X-Men. Titles like Wolverine & The X-Men have done a good job showcasing the entire staff more than once and it is safe to assume, if a character hasn't appeared in an X-Title since 2010-2011 - then they are not currently X-Men.

Also, it's ridiculous to consider Scott's team part of the X-Men if you do not also include Uncanny Avengers and X-Factor (as well as X-Force.) If Cyclops, Emma Frost and Magic are to be considered X-Men (but simply rogue) as pointed out to me when I tried to edit, then so should Cable, Boom Boom, Forge and Colossus.

Also, X-Factor and the Uncanny Avengers are SANCTIONED by Wolverine (the current headmaster) and therefor should be considered branches of the official X-team. If we are including rogue X-Members as team members, then actual team members should also be included on the list, right? So, Sunfire, Havok, Polaris, Darwin and others should also be bold.

I think it's important to keep the page accurate. Either have all the CURRENT (and actual) X-Men Members bold (or have the rule that you use on some apply to all).

Please do not ignore or delete this - I just want Wikipedia to give out correct information. And having random people in bold and claiming that this is the current X-roster is pretty ridiculous. How about doing this right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MorbidChid (talk • contribs) 23:22, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll address this stuff more at a later date, but a few things:

1.) This is Wikipedia, so anytime you find yourself saying something like, "It's safe to assume"--well, it's not. You don't assume things that aren't actually in the comics, etc.

- Ariel said she quit the team. Mike Carey said she quit the team. She hasn't appeared since. She quit the team. Ariel has not been a member of the X-Men since she quit the team. If you read the comics, you might know this.

2.) When you add a new discussion topic to a talk page, please put it at the bottom of the page, not just inserted randomly somewhere on the page like this one and your Fiz comment.

- Sorry, I'm new to this. I didn't add it randomly, I thought it was suppose to go to the top. I apologize. The Fiz comment was meant as reply.

3.) Fiz fought alongside the X-Men during the "Twelve" storyline, but that doesn't make him an X-Man. Beast called him an honorary X-Man, which is why he's listed as such.

-I agree with that. I was more thinking about the other Skrull students being listed as students?

DeadpoolRP (talk) 00:36, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

First, just because you have a problem, doesn't mean that how you view it is automatically right. You say it needs to be fixed, but there are others that say it doesn't need to be fixed because it's not wrong. First things first, you need to realize that just because they are not currently seen in a title, does not mean that they are not X-Men anymore. S

- I didnt touch Lifeguard and Mimic. Both have not been active in the books for years but both were last seen as X-Men. So they are X-Men. The last time we saw Warpath, he was on an island fighting Wolverine's team. Why would anyone assume that he joined them off-panel. Shouldn't we wait for conformation that he joined the X-Men again? And Ariel quit on panel. And Husk also quit the X-Men on panel. What more proof do you need that they are no longer X-Men?

Similar to, just because they might not be teachers in the school, does not mean that they are no longer X-Men either. For example, lets use Psylocke. If she weren't in X-Force right now, we know for a fact that she isn't a teacher right now, and if we didn't have her in that, by your logic, she wouldn't be considered a member because she isn't serving as an official teacher at the school. - I'm not saying that at all. I just want people that are not with the X-Men, not to be labelled as X-Men. For example, the New Mutants were located in San Fransisco and were never a part of Wolverine's X-Team. Except for Karma. You can assume that they are still on a team, but the last team they were in was completely independent and none of the current X-titles have hinted at any of them joining the X-Men again.

As shown in Uncanny X-Force, members like Psylocke can act in a capacity as an X-Man without being a teacher, and just because we don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't so.

Second, if you have to use the word "assume" to justify your arguments, just stop there, because that is not a way to justify any argument on this site because it is not a fact. Until we have seen them in something else or have them saying that they are done with the X-Men, then they stay bold.

- So instead of having a list of X-Men Members, we have a list of hypothetical X-Men members?

Next, look at how Marvel always portrays Scott's team. They're always listed as his "rogue band of X-Men" or some such similar take. In Marvel's eyes, they are X-Men, that is a fact, not an opinion like what you present.

- They are fighting Wolverine's team and this site makes it look like they are on the same team together. It's ridiculous. They are obviously not on the same team together. Why should they be listed that way?

Also, drop this whole "SANCTIONED" thing because it is nonsense. It is in no way a similar issue to Scott's current team because neither the Uncanny Avengers or X-Factor or Cable's team call themselves X-Men or are referred to as such by Marvel.

T-hey are X-Teams and X-Titles. The Academy X kids called themselves X-Men but they hadn't graduated.

Uncanny Avengers are an AVENGERS team, not an X-team. X-Factor are their own team who did a few things for Wolverine from time to time, that does not make them X-Men. Cable and his X-Force team are clearly doing their own thing away from the X-Men, and without their knowledge too, and have never referred to themselves as X-Men, so there is no reason to consider them as such. - Cable and his team are working just as independent as Cyclops - the last issue shows them even talking together. If Cable's team agrees with Cyclops or becomes his ally instead of being independent - would that make them X-Men?

And finally, to go character by character for some of the ones you've argued about. The last thing we saw Ariel do was leave with Rogue to go and join the school, which she said herself. Husk quit the school, doesn't mean she quit the X-Men, similar to Psylocke quitting the school but not the X-Men. The final issue of New Mutants said absolutely nothing about the team disbanding. Sunspot and Cannonball left the team to take time off, never said the whole team broke up, and they just happened to be invited to be Avengers during that time. In fact, in Moonstar's first issue of Fearless Defenders, issue #2 in fact, it was stated very clearly by her attackers, that they staged various distractions to keep her teammates busy while they try to take her down, so it is very much a fact that they are still together. Just because they aren't at the school, doesn't mean they aren't still X-Men.68.33.142.75 (talk) 01:12, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

- Whatever. I just wanted to see a List of X-Men that were actually members of the X-Men. Keep this convoluted mess the way you like it. I tried. It seems so illogical to have a bunch of inactive characters that we haven't seen for months or years listed as X-Men, while characters that appear in X-Titles are not X-Men. But whatever, I'm done.

Ok, get one thing straight. Having an "X" in a title that is not "X-MEN" with a team made up of mutants does NOT mean that they are X-Men. "T-hey are X-Teams and X-Titles" So? Again, that doesn't make them X-Men, so they are not labeled as such. X-Force and X-Factor =/= X-Men. "New Mutants were located in San Fransisco and were never a part of Wolverine's X-Team. Except for Karma. You can assume that they are still on a team, but the last team they were in was completely independent and none of the current X-titles have hinted at any of them joining the X-Men again." They never LEFT the X-Men, so why would they have to join it again? Wolverine even essentially gave his blessing in the final issue for them to continue on as a team doing their own thing which was proven in Fearless Defenders, which is a fact, not the opinion of yours that they broke up. Wolverine's team are not the only team of X-Men. Why is that so hard to understand? It's the same thing that happened when Schism came about. Two completely separate teams of X-Men, but still both X-Men. It's only been continued in a more extreme manner with Scott going to extremes to push how he feels the mutant race should be taken care of. "Cable and his team are working just as independent as Cyclops - the last issue shows them even talking together." Again, so what? The spoke to each other, that must mean they're in cahoots! No, it was Scott showing up on the last page and saying Cable's name, woohoo. It still means diddly squat until something is spelled out. You can't just jump to conclusions or form opinions and put them on here and expect them to stand without the facts to back them up. That is problem here. New Mutants never split up. I don't remember Ariel or Mike Carey ever saying she quit and the fact is the last thing we saw her do is travel with Rogue to the school. Husk said she quit the school, not the X-Men. Warpath, Mimic, and Lifeguard were last seen working with and listed with the X-Men, nothing said they left, so we don't say they did. You say they're hypothetical X-Men, but you're hypothetically saying they're not. 68.33.142.75 (talk) 03:11, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Boldness to show a current member of team.

Should the members of X-Factor or Uncanny Avengers have their names in bold, as the Uncanny Avengers are considered Avengers, but because of the joint status of the team, they should also be considered X-Men as well. Furthermore, the members of X-Factor, specifically Havok and Polaris, are also linked to the X-Men, but I'm not sure if they're close enough to be called "X-Men". Any thoughts? MitchTCuthbert (talk) 06:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

X-Factor is a separate team, so they're not X-Men members currently (though some have been in the past). The team in Uncanny Avengers is an Avengers team, so they're not current X-Men either, except for Wolverine and Rogue, who are members of both the X-Men and the Avengers. DeadpoolRP (talk) 15:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

New Additions

• i want to say we should include new additions in separate subsection like x-force strike team and uncanny x-force because x-force strike team was officially x-men team but uncanny x-force was wolverine's separate team and not included x-men(like deadpool,fantomex) and also wolverine's x-force is coming to end as part of marvel now! and then there will be a new pslocke's x-force team which we dont know yet whether will be a part of x-men or not.and as cable and x-force is coming in marvel now! so what's ur idea that it should continue cable's team section coz we know its also splinter team as cable is on run against uncanny avengers.
• . and i think there should be x-statix members section in splinter teams coz it was also a major splinter x-team.
• and x-factor portion is already divided into section i'm just giving it a more clearer view by slightly changing it.
• there is also a confusion sorrounding X-Treme X-Men coz it is written in this article that x-treme was storm's splinter team so then why have x-treme x-members been listed in official x-men members.shouldn't we create another splinter section for storm's x-treme team?? and also x-treme x-men vol. 2 is also featuring a splinter team of alternate realities mutants so we can also add them in also.
• wolverine and the x-men feature many new students like Broo,kid gladiator,genesis (apocalypse) so why are they not listed as x-men in training or students.

--Shoxee1214 (talk) 12:52, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

What approach do the secondary sources take for each of these cases? Morwen (Talk) 13:26, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

• Uncanny X-Force was still considered the same thing as the strike team Cyclops put together because while Scott wanted to end it, Logan picked it right back up with the same directive. We'll have to see what Psylocke's team does but it's likely it will be along the same lines. Cable's team also seem to be similar to his old one, so it would make more sense to do a new subsection within the current Cable led X-Force section.
• X-Statix is completely different from anything else on this list. They were a group who were using their powers to seek celebrity status, not to defend mutant rights or Xavier's dream or anything good like that. They're also already mentioned in the Ancillary teams section due to how little they have in common with the X-Men.
• X-Factor did not need that separation. That's what the gray boxes that separate the subsections is for.
• Where in this article does it mention that Storm's X-treme squad was a splinter group? Because everything I've seen has considered that team to be full members, hence why members like Lifeguard and Slipstream, who joined in that series, are on the main list. The vol 2 team would fit under the Alternate Reality team section toward the bottom of the page.
• Those characters aren't on there as they just likely haven't been added by anyone yet. 68.33.140.207 (talk) 14:32, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

you can see in "Genoshan Assault X-Men (2001)" wriiten "Magneto decides to strike after the Legacy Virus is cured. After losing many members when Storm started her splinter group X-Treme X-Men and Professor X was captured by Magneto, Jean Grey recruits a temporary team in Uncanny X-Men #392 (2001) in order to rescue Professor X." . so what now? was that x-treme x-men a splinter team or not? and by the way if you have read that book then you can see clearly that storm is running her own team away from the main x-men.--Shoxee1214 (talk) 15:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

and also why "xavier institute students" are listed in splinter section because it included "new x-men" and "young x-men" and those both junior teams were related to main x-men . infact they were their students then why have you put that whole "xavier institute students" in splinter section instead of substitute?--Shoxee1214 (talk) 15:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

So, what secondary sources state is not something you think should be informing this article at all? I've added a new section below regarding this, and I would appreciate your input. Morwen (Talk) 15:48, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Shoxee1214: Feel free to remove the phrase "splinter group" in regards to Storm's X-Men team in the description of the Genoshan Assault X-Men section if you think it's confusing. Storm is a long-term X-Men leader, and her X-Men team that starred in the first volume of X-Treme X-Men has been treated as an official, full-fledged X-Men team, both in the comics themselves and in Marvel's handbooks, just like the blue and gold teams were in the past, etc. And the New X-Men and Young X-Men are listed in the splinter section under "Xavier Institute Students" because they were originally interpreted to be just students and not official X-Men. However, Marvel made clear in its handbooks that they're an official subsection of the X-Men, which is why the X-Men-In-Training section was added to the official X-Men section at the top of the list. I would assume that the individual New X-Men and Young X-Men lists haven't been removed from the splinter section because no one has felt strongly enough that they needed to be removed, or out of respect to the amount of work put into those sections, or both. However, they are redundant and could be removed.

Morwen: I would imagine that everyone would be happy to add information to this list based on other secondary sources, but I don't imagine there are a lot of secondary sources our there discussing the nitpicky details of X-Men membership. I could be wrong, but if so, you'll have to point us in the right direction. And since its inception, the mandate of Marvel's series of handbooks has included, in addition to being a secondary source compiling information from Marvel's comics, the addition of new, primary-source information to fill in some of the gaps. DeadpoolRP (talk) 16:24, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

If there aren't "a lot of secondary sources out there", then that raises questions as to why we even have this list. This article needs a lot of work to be compliant with WP:WAF and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Stand-alone lists. I'd absolutely rather see that done, but debating about how to properly interpret the primary sources is not the way to do that, and completely misses the point. As I say, the Official Handbook barely counts as a secondary source, but it's certainly not an independent one. Also, generally in policy it's the responsibility for someone arguing for information to be kept or added to source it adequately. It's not my job to "point [you] in the right direction here. Morwen (Talk) 16:42, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I interpreted your below call to discuss secondary sources as meaning that you wanted to collaboratively discuss secondary sources to help improve the article, hence my "point us in the right direction" comment. If I misinterpreted that, I apologize. At this point I'm not even sure if you want to improve the page or get rid of it, because you seem to be saying both. (And I'll never understand the antagonism some people have towards Marvel's handbooks.) DeadpoolRP (talk) 17:45, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd love to discuss potential secondary sources. But I can't find any. Clearly there are people here who are more knowledgeable about the X-Men than me, so I'm probably missing something. I seem to be saying both because I am saying both: if this article cannot be substantially improved, I would find it very hard to defend. Morwen (Talk) 17:53, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

68.33.142.75, you claim, "if you're going to undo the edits, then explain yourself next time". You didn't do that whatsoever when you deleted the new additons to Uncanny X-Force (Storm, Puck, Cluster, & Spiral). If that's not hypocritical I don't know what is, and no, I don't think everyone is out to "get me" as you claim, but you insist on consistency or reasons for edits when it's clear your standards don't apply to yourself. Practice what you preach and then it might be possible to have a constructive conversation, until then don't suggest I have meltdowns as though "someone punched my mother". Completely inappropriate, and yes, you do have a "tone". So then, why did you delete the additions? Tomahawk1221 (talk) 04:54, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Wondering why Tempus hasn't been added to the main list? I'm unaware of a codename for her new counterpart, christopher, but aren't these two new official x-men on cyclop's current squad? Secondly, it's now April, havn't Cluster, Puck, & Spiral officially joined Psylocke's X-Force squad? It just seems like these additions would reflect the latest rosters.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.69.254 (talk) 04:02, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Tempus and the others are technically students under this New Xavier School that Cyclops has started up. I'm working on something to update the students section. And no, those three have not joined the X-Force squad yet. Heck, Cluster hasn't even interacted with Psylocke and the others yet. Puck is working with them, but they haven't formed a team yet, and Spiral is still at odds with them too. 68.33.142.75 (talk) 00:27, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

So it's August now, and Uncanny X-Force still isn't a team, let alone not having puck, cluster, and spiral as members yet? They've only been soliciting those 5 characters on the covers now for 9 months... Admittedly I'm not reading that book, but it seems like a long backstory to eventually form a team..24.9.69.254 (talk) 05:41, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

If someone could discuss above about Uncanny X-Force question. Also, is Hope a part of the Cable & X-Force squad presently? Soliciations for November's Amazing X-Men indicate that Firestar will be an official X-Man, any other insights to near future additions or speculations?24.9.69.254 (talk) 22:20, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

No, they haven't joined. Only Psylocke and Storm are officially on still. Puck is working with them, but still hasn't fully joined them as even those two seem iffy about him being around. Spiral has taken off after initially fighting with the group, so she hasn't joined either. And the Fantomex trio have been off doing their own thing and pulling Psylocke into their drama without any of them joining either. So yes, I agree, it is a ridiculously long team formation story. And no, Hope hasn't joined Cable's group either, in fact he outright forbid it. With the way the story is developing though it could change, but she's not there yet. And Firestar will be joining, but we dont' put her up until she does. 68.33.142.75 (talk) 22:55, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, hence the talk page 24.9.69.254 (talk) 23:34, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

So in addition to Firestar being a full-fledged member (X-Men), starting in X-Men vol. 4 #7, M (Monet) will be as well. As discussed, I'm not reading uncanny x-force, but it seems like this page needs to be updated with the additions of Puck, Spiral, Cluster, and now even Bishop. The only input into this was some long, drawn out explanation that these characters are off doing their own thing and there's no cohesive team dynamic whatsoever. All solicitations seem to the contrary so I'd like other input or explanation as to why this is a title of loosely associated characters and not a team... Lastly, can someone list the characters (actual codenames too) of these 'future x-men' (ice-beast, future deadpool, etc..) along with even further cast of future x-men in new soliciations (newer versions of cloak, black panther, iron man looking guy, phoenix type, ice wizard, etc?)? (thanks!)24.9.69.254 (talk) 06:38, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

For instance, take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Force on the right side under agents/current members of "cable team" and "uncanny team". I did not do those edits and someone has reflected those titles of the members there, so why not reflect this on the main list?24.9.69.254 (talk) 06:44, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

The bottom line is that we shouldn't add characters to the list based on solicits for upcoming comics, covers, speculation, etc. Until someone actually joins a team in the comics themselves, they aren't supposed to get added to the list. We also don't make changes to Wikipedia based on changes made to other Wikipedia pages, because Wikipedia's not a source for Wikipedia changes. If you've read these comics and the team has officially been formed and everyone has joined, then add them. But you've said you haven't read the series, and I haven't read the series yet, so that means that we have no place adding characters to the list. Let someone who actually knows what they're talking about make the changes. Also, there have been so many future and alternate-reality iterations of the X-Men that they have no place on this list unless they actually join a Earth-616 team. DeadpoolRP (talk) 03:26, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Once again, hence the talk page...I started a discussion in the proper forum so please don't suggest otherwise. Secondly, I wasn't proposing adding those 'future x-men' to any list nor did I claim I was going to, I was merely asking what their names were...24.9.69.254 (talk) 04:42, 8 October 2013 (UTC) I used the word "list" above but I didn't really mean to add them (future x-men) to the main page, so if anyone has insight as to who these characters are just chime in here.24.9.69.254 (talk) 00:49, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Another topic: All-New X-Factor (don't worry I'm not listing anyone on the main page..) The confirmed members so far are Polaris, Gambit, and Quicksilver. When someone comes across who the other 3 unrevealed members are, please include in this discussion page. There's speculation of Cypher and Warlock being in this book and one other unnamed character but the one hooded/cloaked might resemble Nimrod. Any insight? Again, if anyone also has insight to those future x-men codenames it'd be nice to know, thanks 50.134.188.210 (talk) 00:53, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Ok so here are answers to the questions I've posed for discussion. If you'd like to see the Future x-men rosters (along with the future brotherhood squads) check here: http://marvel.wikia.com/X-Men_(Earth-TRN311) http://marvel.wikia.com/Brotherhood_(Earth-TRN311) The most I would ever propose is adding a wikipedia link if/when it's ever created under the ancillary teams category eg. AoA X-Men etc..

All-New X-Factor Roster: Polaris, Quicksilver, Gambit, Warlock, Cypher, and Danger

Thanks for updating Uncanny X-Force members, but what of Cluster, did she not stick around? And Hope? She truly is not to be included in the Cable & X-Force team? 50.134.188.210 (talk) 09:21, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Last update, hopefully for the moment, X-Force #1 (Feb 2014) (both Cable & X-Force and Uncanny X-Force titles are ending and merging into one "X-Force" title in 2014, Roster: Cable, Psylocke, Fantomex, Marrow (with more to follow, presumably from previous two separate x-force squads). Any new insight would be beneficial to the talk page.50.134.188.210 (talk) 09:30, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

There have been a lot of questions about the various new students that have popped up ever since Wolverine and the X-Men started, so I've put together a tentative edit for the X-Men in Training section here; [1]. I'll be putting this up later tonight if there are no objections. 68.33.142.75 (talk) 17:47, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

I guess this is a better place to list these questions: (1.) How should the time-displaced original X-Men be addressed on this list? (2.) Shouldn't the X-Men-in-Training list be strictly chronological like every other list on this page? That would mean that the Stepfords, for example, should be on BOTH school lists because they've gone to BOTH schools, not just the current school they're going to. They just wouldn't be in bold on the Jean Grey school list. DeadpoolRP (talk) 07:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Images

This list would be amazing if there were a picture of the character in each entry. Anyone know if there's any free pictures of individual X-men? -- œ^™ 08:48, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Cluster & Hope

The following are the only two things that I would like clarified or added to the appropriate teams: What ever happened that Cluster didn't officially join the Uncanny X-Force (X-Men Strike Squad)? Are you positive that Hope never joined the Cable founded X-Force? ie: "Cable and X-Force" team, I've seen many issues, especially in the vendetta storyline where the title page shows the roster of both X-Force squads before they merged and Hope is always shown as a member of the cable-led incarnation. If neither of these characters were never members of the respective X-Force squads, can you distinctly explain why?50.134.188.210 (talk) 02:50, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Cluster only appeared in the arc where Psylocke had a weird love square between her and all three of the Fantomex clones, which was completely separate from the rest of the team. After that she was not seen again. Hope joined, I just need to go back and look at what issue exactly it was as I've not had time to go back through my issues and narrow it down. If someone else beats me to it, then that'll be fine. 68.33.142.75 (talk) 03:40, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks 50.134.188.210 (talk) 05:44, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Doop

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Consenus: List as ally. N4 (talk) 03:31, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Does Doop belong as a full member of the X-Men, or just an ally? 68.33.142.75 (talk) 22:01, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

He is an ALLY at this point unless officially specified at a later date. I concur with the reasons below about why this should remain his status. (Did I leave this input in the correct forum or do I need to go to a different place (ie: "feedback request service (?))? The editor who wouldn't join the talk page and insisted on continuing a war of edits could be considered a repeat vandal of this page.. Tomahawk1221 (talk) 20:30, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

This is the correct place for your input, yes.68.33.142.75 (talk) 22:01, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Doop has yet to fully be stated within the comics themselves as a full member of the X-Men. Wolverine may have said that he wanted Doop as an X-Man, but we never saw him answer yes to the question, so it was left open to interpretation. Yes he showed up at the school, but he could have told Logan he only wanted to work there and not be a team member. And again, previews and such for his solo limited coming up are not to be used as reasons for edits because they are not verfiable per wiki guidelines, as I have been told myself in the past. Please discuss this further and look for a consensus before going ahead. 68.33.142.75 (talk) 04:28, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, is the ability to remove (repeated) edits as a case of vandalism gone from Wikipedia? A war of edits is no fun and the user was told to take it to the talk page. Unless specified at a later date, Doop is not a member.50.134.188.210 (talk) 06:35, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

You may remove the edits in question if you like as you are just now becoming involved, but I will not be doing so at this time as I will be close to violating the 3 revert rule on here, and it will do nothing but get me in trouble as well instead of trying to resolve this. Though it may be better to just wait and see if others like DeadpoolRP would like to offer their take. I've already reported the user in question about this whole thing and am awaiting an administrator's judgement. You may chime in if you wish in the report, which you can read here. 68.33.142.75 (talk) 06:51, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

And another point I would like to make, just working at the school or with the team in fights has not proven to mean team membership in the past. If so, we would have to include Deathlok in the members list as well, and I think most would agree that he is not a member. 68.33.142.75 (talk) 18:09, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Forgetmenot

I'm putting this guy in the Allies section, because we don't really know all of his story yet, and also, how can someone be a member of the team if no one knows that he's there? Yeah, his powers are like that, but still, I find it hard to label someone as a full team member if he's not treated like one. Plus, he just seems like a one off plot point character just for this one story, and not something long term. If he comes back and can be treated like a full member, then I'd say move him to the full status, until then, he should probably stay as an ally. 68.33.142.75 (talk) 16:57, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, I saw one site (of course not official marvel) citing that he was a part of the Jean Grey School... so unless anything changes I agree he should stay in the allies section, for all we know this was a one time appearance (not unlike a "what if" scenario). At the very most, if he's seen more, he could be possibly be a Jean Grey school staff member since that's where he was in his only appearance, but probably not the student body unless otherwise designated.50.134.188.210 (talk) 01:47, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

On another note: what is the consensus about removing the very old subtopics that don't have a date associated with them (IE: jean grey, moonstar/mirage, hellions, missing villains)? if you look at them they don't ask any outstanding issues to be resolved and are just remnants of the talk page, presumably before older subtopics got archived... thoughts? I think it would be ok just to delete the above subtopics unless someone has a better idea.. 50.134.188.210 (talk) 02:12, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Maybe his/her point was that you shouldn't delete other people's stuff? :P I'd say add the leftover stuff to the archive page if you don't want it here, but don't delete it. Plus, I'm still not convinced that Moonstar has used the name "Mirage" since she joined the X-Men . . . DeadpoolRP (talk) 16:21, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I actually don't know how to add stuff to the archive, if you or someone else that knows how to do it can archive the really old stuff that'd be great, otherwise it's not like those things need to be removed but they've just been there forever. 50.134.188.210 (talk) 20:37, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

T-Ray and ForgetMeNot are not official members. They belong, at least until changes via official marvel sources, in the allies/honorary section. Vote? Thoughts? 50.134.188.210 (talk) 22:28, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

We'd already discussed Forgetmenot above, and it was to keep him as an ally. This T-Ray guy seems to be someone that was specially created for some kind of "psa/after school special" type of issues, and he's not been seen since. It's debatable that he would even be considered to be a part of continuity. 68.33.142.75 (talk) 23:01, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Outdated Roster

Some of the characters in bold are no longer X-Men. As of Avengers & X-Men: Axis #4 several characters are X-Men such as Havok & Sunfire an now Evan is an X-Men as Apocalypse (1st appearance as). Cyclops is standing with the core X-Men team as well. please update. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.215.238.219 (talk) 01:57, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

It appears that contributors have taken a "wait and see" stance regarding Axis, and it's not a bad stance to take: when the core nature of a team's key members has been inverted and they're acting contrary to their normal nature, it's almost like mind control and remains to be seen if after the fact they'll consider their actions their own or their membership changes official.

And regarding characters who are "no longer X-Men", as always, if you can cite a source saying they're no longer members, then cite the source and make the change. However, with dozens of members and students and at least three completely separate groups of X-Men based out of three separate locations, it's hard to say someone's not still a member unless it's stated somewhere. Recent history has shown us that just because someone hasn't been seen for months (or even a year or more!) doesn't mean they're not members--especially since one group (the New Mutants squad) doesn't currently appear in a book but has been confirmed as still active several times since their book ended. So just because Warpath (for example) hasn't been seen for a long time doesn't mean he's not still active with the team somewhere (he and Domino weren't seen for months at a time, for example, when the team was based on Utopia, but they were still members throughout that period), so with the team's current expansive status quo, you kind of just have to consider them members until they're shown leaving/quitting (like Danger in AVX Consequences), it's stated somewhere that they're not members anymore (like Cypher in All-New X-Factor), they show up on another team (like the members of Cable's first post-AVX X-Force squad), or they die (like Wolverine). DeadpoolRP (talk) 12:30, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Show of hands for adding Spider-Man to the list of Honorary/Allies section. I think he could've been added to this list long before his role in 'Spider-Man and the X-Men' as a teacher. If someone wants to go ahead and add him at least for now (as his official membership may (or may not) come down the road) as an ally that'd be great! 50.134.188.210 (talk) 23:13, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Now that he's on the faculty, I agree that adding Spider-Man to the allies section is a good idea.

Also, while I'm not saying that I necessarily think Spider-Man IS officially a member of the X-Men now, I would caution people against making absolute statements like "being a teacher doesn't make you an X-Man," etc., as assertions of fact. Unless you work for Marvel and/or know something I don't, you're still just expressing your opinion, not a statement of fact. Unless Marvel has made that official statement somewhere and I missed it, it very well COULD eventually turn out that being a teacher DOES, in fact, make you an X-Man. A more correct statement to make would be that current consensus is that characters not be added to the membership list just because they're teachers/faculty members. But if Marvel clarifies things like they clarified some Avengers membership questions in the recent Avengers Now! handbook, that could change. DeadpoolRP (talk) 08:38, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Any insight as to if/when the X-Men (Now!(?)) Handbook might come out? 50.134.188.210 (talk) 07:09, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no. I'm hoping the Avengers book is the first of many and it won't be too long, though. DeadpoolRP (talk) 08:47, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Decay/Georgia

I was unaware of this addition to the now cancelled "All-New X-Factor" series but when you look at several sites, her codename is stated as "Decay". Perhaps this wasn't clearly spelled out in the issues she appeared in, but it appears her codename as Decay is generally accepted. Thoughts or evidence to the contrary? Yes, yes, I know this isn't straight from an official Marvel Handbook, but it's pretty clear her first name is Georgia and that's not her codename. This may be difficult to confirm since this X-Factor volume is done, but I vote the list reflects the Decay codename.. http://marvel.wikia.com/Georgia_Dakei_(Earth-616) http://www.comicvine.com/decay/4005-101777/ Tomahawk1221 (talk) 01:55, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

People online make up code names and even real names for characters all the time, and then others see them and add them to more sites, spreading the incorrect information. Heck, some sites even encourage their contributors to make up names and see if they get used in the comics (and they sometimes do!). We need to be better than that on Wikipedia. Unless an official source can be cited for a name, it shouldn't be put up here. (And, by the way, a conversation of this type doesn't count as a source for an official code name: Speaker 1: "I need a code name." Speaker 2: "How about Morph?" Speaker 1: "No way!"--unless, of course, the character LATER decides to use it.) DeadpoolRP (talk)

DeadpoolRP... What part of me bringing this to the "Talk Page" do you not understand? This isn't the first time that you've responded in an accusatory tone, as if I'd made updates to the actual list page based on my opinion. No, I put it on the talk page just like we ask anyone to do BEFORE adding it and getting a consensus. That's exactly what I've done. "Unless you can cite an official source for a name, please don't put it up here!" - C'mon man... You insinuate and postulate when the entire time I'm bringing up a subject in the proper forum. Interested to see following defensive stance. "We need to be better than that on Wikipedia"?? Lighten up, dude..Tomahawk1221 (talk) 01:25, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Tomahawk1221, I do not understand your anger. My reply addressed the topic in question and the group editing this page. It did not single you out or address you directly at all, and yet your whole post is spent attacking me. I used the plural "we" to show that everyone needs to avoid making changes without sources, not just you, not just me--everyone! I realize that you personally didn't made the change in question to the page, and I didn't say you did, but someone ELSE did, and another contributor reverted it and said it needed a source; I simply reiterated the need for a source here for everyone involved.

Thank you for taking this to the talk page, as should be done, but please also try to take the talk page less personally. Unless you are addressed directory (which you weren't) and insulted (which you also weren't), why look for insults? You say I should lighten up, and yet do you disagree and think that we SHOULDN'T, in fact, be better than those who spread made-up information across the Internet, whether intentionally (by making it up and posting it online) or unintentionally (by assuming that since something is posted elsewhere it's correct and thus not verifying it)? Isn't a gigantic part of Wikipedia's mission/purpose to provide correct information?

I apologize if my one use of "you" (which I was using in the plural/generic) made you think I was addressing you directly. I wasn't, and the offending sentence has been edited to be more explicitly generic.

Now, would anyone else like to weigh in on Decay vs. Georgia? Does anyone have a source on Decay? Or should we stick with her real name as usual when there's not a code name? I'll see if my local comics shop has copies of the last few issues of All-New X-Factor when I'm there next and let you guys know if she's called Georgia or Decay in her introductory narration panels. DeadpoolRP (talk)

My LCS only had issue #15, but that issue only introduces Georgia by her first name--same for Luna as well. DeadpoolRP (talk) 10:23, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I checked All-New X-Factor #19–20, and Georgia is introduced as "Georgia" in both, not "Decay," so I wouldn't list her as Decay. My question, though, is whether Sunfire joined the team: he was introduced with the team in both issues and flew back with them to their headquarters at the end of issue #20. What does everyone think? DeadpoolRP (talk) 10:13, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Sure, if you have an official marvel source. I made the same case for Mimic in the pages of Excalibur when it was ending way back in 1998 but the sourcebook(s) did not confirm this and it was vetoed. I would say the same thing is true in the case here with Sunfire. We can't pick and choose what qualifies under the criteria (official Marvel source) you've laid out previously. Add him as an ally if you care to.. Tomahawk1221 (talk) 19:05, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

On second thought, if we added Georgia under the same guidelines, I suppose then Sunfire would qualify. Yet that brings up a larger issue. Do we simply add those new assumed "members" because they're on the introduction page unless a later official marvel sourcebook clarifies, confirms, or denies, or do we wait until it's officially confirmed, possibly way down the road?? I only trying to maintain a level of consistency instead of a case by case basis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomahawk1221 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Maggott?

You've forgotten at least one member of Generation X (Maggott). Schissel | Sound the Note! 22:32, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

=Yeah I don't think he's listed as an official member in the official marvel guidebook but he appeared in one genX issue. If someone can locate what issue, I'd say it'd be appropriate to put him in the GenX allies section under Gateway. If you check Maggot's page it reads, "After the then-current roster of the team parted ways, the X-Man Beast suggested Maggott transfer to the junior team Generation X, but his tenure there lasted only one issue and afterwards he fell out of sight."