Talk:Lovćenac

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"The original Hungarian name Szeghegy became Sekitsch/Sekić in the mouths of the Germans who settled there beginning in 1786."

Are you sure that original name of the village was Szeghegy and not Sekić? It seems strange to me that Germans use Serbian and not Hungarian version of this name. If the Hungarian name was original that would not be the case. PANONIAN (talk) 04:47, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That was what I've read - it was arguably derived from something too, but I forget what it was. But yes, you're right, it's illogical - I forgot to include that originally they spelled it Szeghegy, as in Hungarian. For example, postage stamps from the first year they had them (1872) read Szeghegy. But by the 1920s, the Germans were writing Sekić, for example "Sekićer Fussball Club" (with club also spelled with c, not with k as is normal in German). Anyways, I'll edit now to fix that gap.

Well, it is still confusing. Just tell me when this version of the name (Sekitsch/Sekić) was first used, in the 18th century or in the 1920s? PANONIAN (talk) 14:44, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I founded this:

http://www.sekitsch.de/fragee.html

It say that the name Szeghegy was used on the stamps from 1899 (You say that this name was used in 1872). However, both years were after 1867 (and that is the year when Hungarian language became official here). Do you have some information that name Szeghegy was used before 1867? If you do not have it, then obviously Serb name Sekić was original and was adopted by Germans in 1786, while Hungarian name Szeghegy was not introduced before 1867. Until 1751, Bačka and Vojvodina were mostly inhabited by Serbs, thus the names of the many settlements were originaly Serbian, excluding those which existed before the Ottoman rule of course. PANONIAN (talk) 15:11, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, see this too:

http://www.hhrf.org/hhrf/en/vojvodinareportprint.htm

"and the Serbian boy from Szikics/Lovcenac"

Seems that even Hungarians use name Szikics for this village. PANONIAN (talk) 15:25, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, everything is here, the village did existed before the Ottoman rule, thus it would be correct that Hungarian name was original:

http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/backa_o-z.html

Of course, it is possible that during the Ottoman rule Serbs used name Sekić for it, thus Germans adopted this name from Serbs, not from the Hungarians. PANONIAN (talk) 15:30, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My assumption about this was correct. Book "Srbi u Vojvodini" (Dr Dušan J. Popović, Novi Sad, 1990) claim that Sekić was ethnic Serb village during the Ottoman rule, thus it is clear why Germans adopted Serbian name for the village. PANONIAN (talk) 17:28, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I have no reason to refute that. I'll try to read up on the German arrival, it might say more. Of course, even if they got it from the Hungarians, it still might be Serbian. Adam Mathias 18:27, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

User:Србија је православна, please stop removing pictures. The pictures show what is in Lovcenac, therefore do not have a specific POV. Wikipedia is not a battleground! – Plarem ^{(User talk)} 13:18, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

and how they are important to this article? we can take picture of cow in Lovćenac and say it is important? images are glorify german anti-serb nationalism in village in Serbia. this is political propaganda not science for wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Србија је православна (talk • contribs) 13:26, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And in what way does this "glorify german anti-serb nationalism"? – Plarem ^{(User talk)} 13:28, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

because this image is dedicated to war criminals who occupy Serbia in ww1 and have made war crimes against Serbian civilian people. do you want to glorify that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Србија је православна (talk • contribs) 13:33, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

According to me, that's not glorifing... – Plarem ^{(User talk)} 13:34, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

These images represent history of the village and should be in article.--Sokac121 (talk) 19:38, 31 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

no they don't. they represent german solders who fought their war against Serbia elswere, not in this village. Србија је православна (talk) 19:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]