Talk:MSC Virtuosa

Starship club

Hello @Lyndaship:, I noticed you reverted my addition about the MSC Starship Club. I apologise if it came over as too much like marketing - I had tried hard to only include the facts about the area and not the cruise line's marketing talk (except when directly quoting them for their description). I did try to maintain a NPOV but appreciate given the lack of content on other aspects of the ship this may have appeared as undue weight. As such I was wondering if you had any suggestions on how to re-word it appropriately? Would a much shorter and more to the point statement such as 'MSC Virtuosa will be the first ship in the MSC fleet to include the MSC Starship Club featuring a robotic humanoid bartender' be ok? Thanks very much J850NK (talk) 13:33, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for following WP:BRD. I'm afraid I don't think it's appropriate content no matter how worded. Ever cruise line has endless clubs created as a marketing ploy and the fact that this ship is the first in their fleet to have this one is non notable and trivial. The fact that it has a robotic bartender is frankly another gimmick and can be changed or discontinued at the marketing directors whim, it's not a material alteration to the ship and doesn't warrant mention. Maybe another editor will feel different and if so I will accept inclusion Lyndaship (talk) 14:04, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much for explaining your point of view. I can see why you think that this could just be a marketing stunt and as such not worth mentioning, however, personally, I think that given its a new feature (and a physical space/venue on the ship) it would be fair to give it a small mention as I suggested above? I agree that we ought to get another editor's opinion on this so I'll post the issue on the WP:3 page. Thank you again for explaining. J850NK (talk) 22:29, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

WP:3 is a fine way to go - I hope we get some response. Cruise companies repurpose space on their ships continuously and basically this is just changing the decor and whats on the wall. I also recall reading before about a drink making robot on a cruise ship Lyndaship (talk) 09:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for this. Yes, I think you are thinking of Royal Caribbean's "Bionic Bar" which first featured on their Quantum-class ships which indeed features robotic arms to make people drinks. However, I think the main notable point around the 'Starship Club' on MSC is that it will be the first humanoid robot to be on a cruise ship and accordingly that will create a special new experience as it can interact with the guests etc. Of course I'm sure the purpose of having such a facility is very much to attract people to sail, but nevertheless given that it's a physical venue/space on the ship (and a unique one) I think it's worthy of a small mention. I also noticed that it attracted the attention of the mainstream media such as in this article which often doesn't happen with minor changes to cruise ships. But again, I can see why you may just regard this as a publicity stunt. As such I look forward to getting that third opinion hopefully. Many thanks J850NK (talk) 11:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Well the Mirror article is a source but its just the MSC press release regurgitated [1]. Cheap marketing and poor journalism. Looking at the pic it seems to consist of 12 seats, 1 robot and a really small area. Lyndaship (talk) 11:23, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request:

Good evening both, I am Springnuts, a previously uninvolved editor. I have not previously edited this article and afik I have not previously interacted with the editors involved in this 3O request. In my opinion, and unlike the catalytic reduction system, neither the particular bar, nor its robotic bartender (unless the robot can be persuaded to run amok and slaughter some passengers before mixing their blood into a gory Bloody Mary) really are of sufficient notability to be included; Advertorial (or so it reads) in the Daily Mirror notwithstanding. That said, a “Facilities” section (as here Independence_of_the_Seas#Facilities or, called “Features”, here: Quantum-class_cruise_ship#Features), with a brief general description of the facilities on board would seem not inappropriate – but I don’t think the robotic bartender would get more than a passing mention at best. Well that is my 3O. With all respect to two of the most courteous and well mannered editors it has been my privilege to interact with. Springnuts (talk) 19:40, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much for providing such a balanced and helpful 3O. We'll definitely leave it as is for now then, especially given its a new ship/not entered service yet so a facilities section probably wouldn't be justified/able to have adequate coverage just yet. But as you say, perhaps in the future, maybe a facilities section will be added and a minor mention may be more appropriate. Thank you again very much for weighing in. J850NK (talk) 00:26, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

My thanks also for your balanced and considered 3O. I'm very impressed Lyndaship (talk) 18:19, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

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