Talk:Mount Kaputjugh

Armenia

@CuriousGolden: The mountain is literally on Armenia territory as shown by the geolocations and Google maps. Whats your rationale for these controversial edits?--ZaniGiovanni (talk) 09:12, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

That's the peak. I hope you do realize that mountains consist of more than one peaks. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 09:37, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh and just realized. Those coordinates are wrong. The peak itself is also in Azerbaijani territory. See it on Google Terrain. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 09:39, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

You do also realize that between the peak and the Az border is a significant distance and the mountain in the very most close to Nakhchivan. Here is the link in Google Maps showing the peak and the distance from Az territory. Clearly the mountain location is in Syunik province, Armenia.--ZaniGiovanni (talk) 09:50, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

What? Didn't know I'd have to remind you this, but Nakhchivan is part of Azerbaijan and its borders are also Azerbaijan's borders. Google Maps icons are never going to be point-to-point correct. There's literally just 12m distance from the icon, they've just given an approximate estimate. While Google Terrain clearly shows where the peak itself is, and it's here. Regardless, this article is about the whole mountain, not the peak and here's what the whole mountain looks like (Hope you don't start arguing that the mountain also doesn't fall into Azerbaijan). — CuriousGolden (T·C) 09:55, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't think you're understanding what I wrote. I'm saying mountain at the very most is close to Nakhchivan, that doesn't mean me saying it Nakhchivan isn't Az territory lol. How you even come up to this? My point it is, in the maps it shows being in Syunik province, at least the big part of it while also being close to Nakhchivan meaning Az border. Read what I wrote more carefully before acting all confused. Still the link you privded show the mountain's most area being in Armenia.--ZaniGiovanni (talk) 10:01, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Google Terrain shows the peak in Azerbaijani territory. The mountain itself is shared by both countries. Please do realize that mountain being a few percent more in one country, doesn't mean information about the other country should be completely removed or minimized. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 10:04, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Sure I understand that. I will edit your controversial changes tho, doing exactly what you are describing which is erasing Armenian presence, and I'll keep the Az project cause of it being in both territories. Do we arrive to a conclusion?--ZaniGiovanni (talk) 10:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I erased Armenian presence how? The version before had no mention of Azerbaijan, so only thing I did was add about Azerbaijan; there's still information about Armenia and Syunik the same way there's information about Azerbaijan and Nakhchivan. Reverting the edit means removing Azerbaijani presence. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 10:11, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

You removed Armenia from map caption, despite the moutain's range majority area being in Armenia. You removed the mention of Armenian Highland in range, and replaced it with Lesser Caucasus. Cherry on top, you reordered translations and put Az first and Arm second, considering you were calling translation reordering's "petty" couple days ago. Cmon man, atleast don't be so openly hypocritical. I'm going to restore the page adding Azerbaijan mention.--ZaniGiovanni (talk) 10:23, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I haven't removed the caption. There are 2 maps and Wikipedia automatically writes the same caption even if there isn't a manually writtenc aption, so there's nothing lost. The mountain is literally in the Lesser Caucasus mountain range geographically. Armenian Highlands is more to the west, in Eastern Anatolia northern Armenia. Please avoid using insults (per WP:HARASSMENT), as you seem to get angry when you get reminded that you will be blocked for it, if reported. I don't mind reorganizing the translations to its original form. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 10:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Hyptocritical was your action calling reordering's "petty" here, while doing it yourself on this page. I wasn't insulting you, and refrain from blocking threats when there are no reason's for it. Ask what I meant and I will clarify. Also I wanted to ask a technical question: If I write both Armenia and Azerbiajan in mountain caption, would it work?--ZaniGiovanni (talk) 10:41, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I called arguing over language order petty, which is why I'm avoiding it here. A pro tip, when someone says you've insulted them, "I wasn't insulting you" is never a good answer. Being nicer would be better. Writing that in caption won't work because captions show up for 1 image (so there'll be "Mountain in Armenia and Azerbaijan" in map of Azerbaijan), but I get why you want to do that, so we can change it to "Mountain shown within Azerbaijan" — CuriousGolden (T·C) 10:44, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm not gonna argue with you if hypocritical constitutes as an "insult" but the impression I got from you here was that reordering's are petty in general and hence my response regarding you doing it here. Also, I think the caption would make sense cause the mountain being in both territories. What you think?--ZaniGiovanni (talk) 10:50, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

The caption isn't a general informative thing, it's supposed to describe what the map/image is showing (e.g. "Location of mountain within Azerbaijan" when it shows map of Azerbaijan). — CuriousGolden (T·C) 10:53, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I looked at the coordinates you edited and it doesn't match the ones on google here. I'll add that to in the edit as it is the default coordinate when searched.--ZaniGiovanni (talk) 11:00, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Again, Google gives approximate coordinates. They most likely took it from the Wikipedia article, which as I showed above was wrong the entire time, so it'd be best to keep it as it is. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 11:03, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes but the coordinates you provided are some sort of building/monument close to the mountain, not part of mountain itself. The previous coordinate or the google one are at least of the mountain's part.--ZaniGiovanni (talk) 11:06, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

The coordinates I gave was to the peak as shown by Google Terrain (make sure you're in Google Terrain mode and not simple or satellite mode). You can even see in the Sattelite mode that the coordinates Google has given aren't actually the top of the mountain. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 11:08, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

I'll look at your coordinates in more detailed way later, will leave the coordinates edit part for now. Other than that, there were no other questions. If I'll find any inconsistencies regarding the coordinates I'll leave a comment here later.--ZaniGiovanni (talk) 11:14, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

@CuriousGolden:I saw your comment about wikimapia area of the moutain. I don't have much time now, I'll look later and comment here aswell if changes are needed.--ZaniGiovanni (talk) 11:49, 24 March 2021 (UTC)