Talk:NPSL Members Cup

Proposed deletion of NPSL Members Cup

The article NPSL Members Cup has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Article exists in its entirety on the 2019 NPSL season page, which is more in line with the notability of the competition.

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Adding NPSL Member's Cup to Team Pages

I don't think we should add the Member's Cup to team pages as a "league". As far as I am aware, there is no plan to continue the Member's Cup after this fall like there were with the Founder's Cup (hence the change from "Founders" (of a league) to "Members" (of the NPSL). Current rumor is that a number of the Member's Cup teams (Detroit City and Chattanooga in particular) are joining NISA after getting PLS owners. Pirmas697 (talk) 11:16, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

I am in agreement with this, especially since the Members Cup is not sanctioned by USSF. The teams should remain listed as National Premier Soccer League until further changes are confirmed. Jay eyem (talk) 02:37, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

I think I also agree but to play devils advocate, how is it not a league? It has a number of teams who play a round-robin schedule against each other. No, it's not sanctioned by USSF but neither is the NPSL and that's still a league (both are sanctioned by USASA). Of course, a big counterpoint is that it's literally called Members Cup. BLAIXX 11:20, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Because it's just an exhibition extension of the 2019 NPSL season. I was willing to consider it a "league" when it was potentially leading into something bigger, i.e. NPSLPro, but now that's it's just the vestigial remains of that attempt, it's really just fulfilling a promise to the ST holders of a few of the bigger clubs. Honestly, my take is, it's probably best to delete this article and merge the standings and results into the 2019 NPSL season page instead. Pirmas697 (talk) 12:07, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Is this an exhibition tournament or is it competitive matches? Is there enough content for a separate article or should it be merged? At this point, your guess is as good as mine but we'll have a better idea as early as this weekend when some media reports come out. BLAIXX 12:29, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

It's exhibition matches. Detroit news already reporting that the DCFC FO is meeting with USSF and NISA this weekend to be sanctioned in the next owner's meeting this September. Pirmas697 (talk) 20:14, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Can you elaborate? How does DCFC planning on joining another league mean that the Members Cup are exhibition matches? The article that you linked to goes out of its way to not describe it as such: "To meet increased fan demand, the club added a fall schedule this season with the NPSL Founders Cup and a handful of exhibitions" (with the exhibitions being against Windsor TFC and the Philadelphia Fury). We're getting off topic here. While I do think Members Cup is a competitive tournament, maybe it doesn't make sense to list in the "league" parameter for the teams. BLAIXX 10:33, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Right now the Member's Cup consists of Detroit City FC, Chattanooga FC, NY Cosmos and some other teams that got dragged into it (e.g. the Michigan Stars do not have the organization or money to go pro, they just got off a year-long hiatus that saw them go from a mid-tier amateur team to a mid-tier amateur team with cheaper kits). Of the three marquee clubs, two of them have been linked to NISA, one of those has been collaborated in the cited article. That leaves Cosmos, which admittedly is a bit of a wild card and with their owner suing USSF is probably (but not confirmed) black-listed from any USSF-sanctioned league like NISA. Perhaps this is just a miscommunication, but I'm saying "exhibition" in the sense that at the end the Member's Cup is not leading to anything meaningful. It's basically allowing Chatta and Detroit fulfill their promises to their season ticket holders who were promised a certain number of games, which at the beginning of the season included the Founder's Cup and is now being backed-up with these Member's Cup games. Pirmas697 (talk) 11:24, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

I think I was maybe thinking of USASA rather than USSF, I read somewhere that the Members Cup couldn't even achieve sanctioning from them. I will have to check. Jay eyem (talk) 00:24, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

The league couldn't get insured through USASA's insurer, who was (unsurprisingly) uninterested in insuring professional players who are constantly at risk (with training and such) and not just amateurs (who are only at risk on the pitch). Pirmas697 (talk) 12:59, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

RE:PROD

If this article does get deleted, I believe it would be reasonable to leave a redirect to 2019 NPSL season#Members Cup, just because it is a plausible search term and in lieu of an article it would still be directed towards its intended target. Jay eyem (talk) 00:21, 17 August 2019 (UTC)