Talk:Northeast Division (NHL)

The 2012 Standings issue. I say lets keep it up until the next season and just keep the current season's record.--PeaceKeeper1234 03:00, 27 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peacekeeper 1234 (talk • contribs) It's already the next season PeaceKeeper1234,(Even though it's the lockout) so now it's time to remove it. (Which i did already)--24.13.169.19 (talk) 15:57, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Northeast Division status labelled as “dissolved”...why?

The Northeast Division was not dissolved. It is entirely intact with the addition of the two Florida teams from the Southeast and Detroit from the old Central.

As most of us know, the league had six divisions from 1998-2013; the old Atlantic, Northeast, Southeast, old Central, Northwest, and old Pacific. Here is where the misunderstanding is...the Southeast and the Northwest divisions were the only divisions that were “dissolved.” The Southeast lost the Florida teams to the new Atlantic (which succeeded the Northeast), Carolina and Washington to the Metropolitan, and Winnipeg to the new Central. The Northwest lost its American teams to the new Central, and its Canadian teams to the new Pacific.

The old Atlantic, Northeast, old Central, and old Pacific remained intact enough to be considered “succeeded” divisions rather than “dissolved” divisions. The Metropolitan is the old Atlantic plus Carolina (Southeast), Washington (Southeast), and Columbus (old Central). The new Atlantic is the Northeast, plus the two Florida teams (Southeast), and Detroit (old Central). The new Central is the old Central minus Detroit and Columbus, plus Colorado (Northwest), Dallas (old Pacific), Minnesota (Northwest), and Winnipeg (Southeast). The new Pacific is the old Pacific minus Dallas, plus the Alberta teams (Northwest), Vancouver (Northwest), and Vegas (expansion).

The info in this article needs to be moved. If no one else does it, I will. Jewel15 (talk) 04:50, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I will address this shortly when I an available moment to properly weigh into this issue. Deadman137 (talk) 17:01, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I understand fully what you are stating but it does create an issue with continuity. The biggest problem with this proposal is that if we take it as it is written then we would have to take it one step further and then have to add the history of the Adams, Norris, Patrick and Smythe divisions to these articles as well because for the most part these divisions are still largely intact from what they were at dissolution. Now obviously no one would support doing something that silly, but this is the same logic that we used five years ago to determine when a division ceased to exist when realignment occurred. At the moment we might be reaching a point where it might be worth reconsidering splitting the Atlantic division into a past and present article and then using what is written above as the basis for the change, however no one has made a convincing enough argument for me to change my position on the matter from where it was five years ago. Deadman137 (talk) 17:20, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, you make a point there about the Patrick, Adams, Norris, and Smythe Divisions having their own articles despite simply being the Metro, Atlantic, Central, and Pacific under different names rather than being entirely different/disbanded divisions.

Now with the continuity issue, putting the old Atlantic’s (present-day Metro) history on the same page as the present-day Atlantic’s history creates more confusion than maybe you or others would intend. It would lead readers who don’t know much about NHL divisions’ history to believe that the Atlantic Division is the same division as the old Atlantic, just with entirely different teams. That is not the case though. The old Northeast was not dissolved during the 2013 realignment. All five of its teams remained together, and then the league changed its name to better reflect its expanded geography because Florida and Tampa Bay are nowhere near the Northeastern United States or Eastern Canada. Detroit is in the Midwest, but very close to the Northeast. The NHL then gave the old Atlantic the name “Metropolitan” just to distinguish itself from the new Atlantic.

In summary, four of the six divisions from the 1998–2013 setup (Atlantic, Northeast, Central, Pacific) “survived” the 2013 realignment. One division from both conferences (Southeast and Northwest) was disbanded. Labelling two Eastern Conference divisions (in this case, Southeast and Northeast) as ceased and only one Western Conference division as still in existence only creates more confusion. Jewel15 (talk) 20:19, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I think more about it, there’s a reason why the Patrick, Adams, Norris, and Smythe Divisions all have their separate articles from the Metro, Atlantic, Central, and Pacific.

It is because the Patrick, Adams, Norris, and Smythe divisions were all founded prior to geographic-based divisions and conferences. The Metro, Atlantic, Central, and Pacific divisions have always been based on geography since their founding in 1993. It would be confusing to read about the Atlantic Division and see the California Golden Seals as a member of the division in the 1970s, as well as read about the Pacific Division and see St. Louis as a member in the 1970s. Jewel15 (talk) 20:45, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]