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I think we should maintain a list of long-term abuse (LTA) or sockpuppet investigations (SPI) that regularly affect this project. I often forget the links to these pages, and it would help fight vandals. There are four I am aware of. Are there any more? Flibirigit (talk) 11:41, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From time to time, WP:LTA/PTC and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ProTaylorCraft. Thankfully, they’re a hoaxster so pretty easy to catch. The Kip (contribs) 13:28, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a preferred place within Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Navigation where we could have such a list? Flibirigit (talk) 13:40, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I would prefer making any such list as low-profile as possible, in the interest of denying recognition. isaacl (talk) 17:13, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure that such a list is against WP:DENY when the LTA and SPI cases already exist. Is there a specific suggestion to maintain a lower profile list? Flibirigit (talk) 18:37, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I don't think having a list is against denying recognition. As I mentioned, I just think it should be kept low-profile. Thus I would prefer not having it in the navigation sidebar. isaacl (talk) 22:09, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think it could be pinned to this chat page. Are there other thoughts? Flibirigit (talk) 22:16, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One possibility I was thinking of is the cleanup department page. A link on this talk page, or the project page itself, would be more easily discoverable by new editors, which has its pros and cons. isaacl (talk) 22:21, 5 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've added a pin to this section in the meantime. Further suggestions welcome. Flibirigit (talk) 16:17, 15 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Isaacl IMO, DENY works great for garden-variety trolls and vandals, but LTAs and frequent sockpuppeteers like those listed above ultimately become pervasive enough such that they can't simply be ignored/reverted. The Kip (contribs) 05:40, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say anything about ignoring such editors. Denying recognition is about minimizing the amount of cognitive effort spent on problem editors; it doesn't mean no time should be spent. isaacl (talk) 07:23, 6 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Diacritics - when and where to use them

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Good morning all,

This is to open the discussion to all interested editors on when and where to use diacritics in WP:Hockey. The caveat being that according to Wikipedia diacritics are neither encouraged nor discouraged but based on how English sources use them. However, since even the NHL is now using diacritics in their names, WP:NCIH probably needs to be revised. On the talk page of NCIH, in this discussion the majority sought to modify NCIH. Now I wish to bring back the three most chosen options to the main group to make sure everyone is on the same page.

The three options chosen were;

  • A - Option 1 - Leave NCIH as is removing all diacritics from North American hockey pages except for those previously given as exceptions
  • B - Option 2 - Diacritic use is based on how league/event writes name - eg. Selanne and Jagr are without diacritics on NHL pages, but use them on national and other league pages - player bios are with diacritics as their life goes beyond hockey with note about NHL spelling
  • C - Option 3 - All diacritics are allowed

Thank you for your opinions. Llammakey (talk) 14:37, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Option 1: WP:COMMONNAME still refers to the majority of English language sources. Notably, "do what the NHL does" is not found in that policy. Ravenswing 17:23, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option 1: per WP:COMMONNAME. GoodDay (talk) 17:26, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option 2 Option 3: More and more sources are using diacritics, might as well get with the program at Wikipedia, or else this will be brought up every 5 years or so. (ETA: Changed my vote, as I prefer option 3 to 1)-- Earl Andrew - talk 17:43, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
None of these follow WP:COMMONNAME. Option 2 will only limit diacritic use and make it more of a hassle to find out how each league spells a player's name. The Finnish Elite League spells Jan Bednář without diacritics but spells Balázs Sebők as Balázs Sebok. Every league is very inconsistent and this will only result in edit wars. Option 3 would leave no confusion but also does not follow WP:COMMONNAME. Best option is option 3. – EAKI78 - Contact 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option 1 per GoodDay and Ravenswing. The Kip (contribs) 18:06, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option 3 – I already said in other discussion that more and more English style guides encourage usage of diacritics. In addition, it is not a problem for Europeans (also French Canadians) to use diacritics, because our languages have them. Furthermore, diacritics are already used in BLPs and non-North American leagues so there is no reason to single out pages of certain North American leagues (NHL, AHL, etc). – sbaio 18:08, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option 3 which is the WP:COMMONNAME option. That is, WP:COMMONNAME is a policy for article titles and usage of names should match the way their articles are titled. That would mean using Jaromír Jágr and Teemu Selänne (as their articles are titled this way). This also creates consistency across all articles. -- Tavix (talk) 18:17, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Just FYI - Divided usage in English-language sources - where it states Use what would be the least surprising to a user finding the article. Whichever is chosen, one should place a redirect at the other title and mention both forms in the lead. So the names are based on discussion, which is what option B reflects. That being said, COMMONNAME only deals with article titles, not usage within articles, hence the question. Llammakey (talk) 18:23, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option 3 – we have Anders Sørensen - Danish professional golfer and Anders Sörensen - Swedish professional ice hockey assistant coach, whereas Anders Sorensen redirects to the golfer. So, not using diacritics would require disambiguation pages to be created for similarly named individuals. Assadzadeh (talk) 18:41, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
As I mentioned in the previous discussion, I don't think a league page criterion will go over well with the broader English Wikipedia community. I think the best balance of concerns that can gain broad consensus would be not to impose a restriction on using native spelling for player names in Latin-script alphabets, while allowing for discussion on a per-player basis regarding evidence that the player has adopted a specific anglicization under which they became well-known. Player biographies should include discussion of spellings that were used by their leagues in official communications. isaacl (talk) 18:47, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option 3: Tavix and Llammakey correctly note that WP:COMMONNAME pertains to article titles, which is not related to the diacritic use we are discussing as far as I can tell. In any case, if you still want to use that baseline, per COMMONNAME: When there is no single, obvious name that is demonstrably the most frequently used for the topic by these sources, editors should reach a consensus as to which title is best by considering these criteria directly. Now that the league is actually recognizing diacritics in their players both online and on-ice, I think the mixture is getting muddled here and headed for widespread use anyway. This discussion should serve as the consensus COMMONNAME is asking us to create. I have never really seen the point of intentionally ignoring how a name is spelled for the sake of technically matching up with a certain point of view on a Wikipedia policy. Sure, it creates consistency with a particular Wikipedia viewpoint, but the compromise we have been running on for years I feel creates inconsistency (as Tavix briefly touched on) that is more apt to confuse readers on what the right way to refer to them is, and only make sense to us as editors. That, I firmly believe, is something that should never happen on Wikipedia. It still does, but we should do everything in our power to avoid it. There's only one way a person's name is legally spelled. Agree with Llammakey and Isaacl. mftp dan oops 19:48, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option 3 per Sbaio, Tavix, and Assadzadeh. Option 3 simply creates less confusion and work for everyone. XR228 (talk) 20:36, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option 3 per above editors, and per my own statements elsewhere. --MikeVitale 00:15, 13 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option 3, second choice Option 2; per MFTP Dan etc. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (Goodbye!) 07:22, 13 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Option 1 per common name. Masterhatch (talk) 07:29, 13 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

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I think that when it comes to how names are spelt, American/Canadian newspapers and websites still don't use diacritics. For relying on sources, it's hard to bank on the sources that use diacritics. I am not going to advocate for one or the other since personally I'd rather not have to anglicize a name when editing, but not something I care to !vote on. Whatever the consensus, I shall enforce. Conyo14 (talk) 21:59, 12 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Closure of Discussion

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Since it has been a month since the last comment, I might recommend we close this discussion as consensus has formed to say "welcome" to all diacritics. Conyo14 (talk) 06:05, 10 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Was just thinking about this today. I see a consensus, but don't take my word for it because I voted and I've been told my idea of a consensus is too loose. mftp dan oops 16:00, 16 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Record vs opponents tables in team season pages

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Has this ever been discussed? I see that 2025–26 Los Angeles Kings season#Record vs opponents has such table. Kings pages did not have such table two or three years ago and only Toronto Maple Leafs pages used to have it as far as I remember. Do we really need to duplicate the information when we have game logs? – sbaio 15:43, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, overkill for me. Kante4 (talk) 15:53, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, remove. Conyo14 (talk) 16:00, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I've deleted them from both the Kings & Maple Leafs 2025-26 season articles. GoodDay (talk) 16:31, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Overkill. I don't see how that would be useful to any reader except the most eccentric hockey fans - the type that ironically would love the sport so much they don't go outside themselves. mftp dan oops 16:34, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I urge everyone not to denigrate good-faith editors. (Note regardless of whether or not such tables are appropriate in a Wikipedia article, there are plenty of fans interested in head-to-head records.) isaacl (talk) 18:12, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Seconded, we should not pass judgement on the character of people who may have enjoyed such tables. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (Goodbye!) 01:10, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I've deleted them from the 2017-18 to 2025-26 Maple Leafs season articles & from the 2024-25 & 2025-26 Kings season articles. Will need help in removing the rest. GoodDay (talk) 16:43, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
In support of removal. Experimented with one for a VGK season page years back, but ultimately seemed pointless. The Kip (contribs) 17:33, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I don't dislike these tables content-wise and I can see how a per-opponent record provides information that game logs do not directly present, but I'll admit the tables with duplicated scores, excessive sums of sub-records, and dates of future games are an awkward way to do this. They are indeed a massive hassle to edit (you need one edit in wikitext editor for cell colour + adding OT/SO note, and a second Visual Editor edit to most easily edit the cascading sums). Other easier ways to handle records against specific opponents would be to use sourced prose instead (so that only records against specific opponents that a source explicitly remarks about make it in), or a table of only how many season series W-L-OTLs against specific teams instead of redundantly duplicating the score of these games. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (Goodbye!) 01:10, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
It is/was the most frequent reason I go and visit each Leaf season's Wikipedia page. To see how the Leafs did against each team in a simple chart. I will miss the ease of access to the charts now that @GoodDay removed them but luckily there is the View History pages to go back and see the old version of the page but just a bunch of extra steps for me.
I vote the charts are added back; even added to all team's pages. I hope others will find this page eventually when they notice the charts are missing and share their agreement on the matter. Abercrombiescruffy (talk) 08:25, 12 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
You are welcome to go to Hockey Reference for that info Conyo14 (talk) 15:29, 12 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
As I've iterated before, I wouldn't mind having such a versus-every-team record as a concept but its execution should be redesigned from the ground up to avoid duplicating per-game results, excessive summation rows, and becoming too cumbersome to update daily. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (Goodbye!) 05:13, 13 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Duplication of win/loss records on top of game logs

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Tangentially related issue, some game logs like 2025–26 San Jose Sharks season duplicate the overall season record at the top of the log. I would like this feature to be removed because the top-of-the-article infobox and the Record column in the game log already display this information. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (Goodbye!) 01:10, 6 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Knoxville Knights

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Please add reliable sources. If not, then it's likely to be deleted in the next 7 weeks. Bearian (talk) 09:21, 9 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Bearian I have added some sources, though I'm not sure if it would cover GNG. Conyo14 (talk) 06:08, 23 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Searching newspapers.com for "Knoxville Knights" + hockey, and filtering for years 1961 to 1968 brings 4,784 results mostly in Tennesee and North Carolina. It seems likely that is enough to pass GNG, but I don't have the time to read all of those. Flibirigit (talk) 06:20, 23 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Draft pick list notation

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While working on List of Buffalo Sabres draft picks as a part of my featured list candidate listing, Bgsu98 brought up a concern that I never really thought of. Should the way it is set for players who have never played in the NHL be all across the board zeroes or just left as dashes? Cheers, kline / talk / contribs 20:09, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Leave as dashes, IMO. It represents a null value. Wracking talk! 20:28, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Seconding this, no need to go overkill with 0s. The Kip (contribs) 23:27, 15 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

North Bay Trappers (1962–1982)

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North Bay Trappers (1962–1982) is listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/North Bay Trappers (1962–1982). The article has been significantly expanded since nomination. Comments are welcome on the nomination page. Flibirigit (talk) 04:09, 23 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

USA Olympic navbox

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An editor has created Template:2026 men's ice hockey gold medal team that was then moved to Template:2026 United States men's ice hockey Olympic team. I have reverted all transclusions, because longstanding consensus at WP:NHL is against having such navboxes. Could someone nominate it for deletion? – sbaio 20:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2026 February 24#Template:2026 United States men's ice hockey Olympic team. – sbaio 17:24, 24 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic ice hockey records lists

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@Michalis2504: has created both List of Mens Olympic records in ice hockey and List of Womens Olympic records in ice hockey. Here are several concerns for the project to consider:

  1. List of Mens Olympic records in ice hockey should be men's, with no capital letter and with an apostrophe.
  2. List of Womens Olympic records in ice hockey should be women's, with no capital letter and with an apostrophe.
  3. The articles are mostly sourced to statistical databases without clear independent third party reliable which establish WP:NLIST. In other words, do these lists actually meet notability criteria? More sources are needed to validate why such a list of records meets those criteria, failing which a WP:AFD discussion might be necessary.

Any thoughts? Flibirigit (talk) 03:09, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

TBH, those articles should be deleted. GoodDay (talk) 03:22, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]
They probably should be merged into the ice hockey at the Olympic Games. Conyo14 (talk) 04:07, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]
1 and 2 don't really require consensus as uncontroversial corrections of obvious errors, so I've done them with titles now at List of women's Olympic records in ice hockey and List of men's Olympic records in ice hockey. For future reference, issues like 1 and 2 can be posted to WP:RMTR for a page mover to handle, or any autoconfirmed user can move it themselves and tag the remnant redirects with {{db-error}} for an admin to delete. Left guide (talk) 05:58, 3 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Hey everybody,
The reasoning of the creation of those two pages, is to be able to recognise Olympic Ice Hockey achievements as some other sports already have their appropriate wiki pages. I have been editting in the past for records in another sport, and after watching the latest Olympic Games, the commentators were mentioning constantly Olympic Records, which were very difficult for me to find somewhere online which I am able to see and compare. Therefore, I wanted to spend time and will continue so, in improving as much as possible those two pages, for both the mens and womens divisions. I am more than happy for the contribution of several established editors such as yourself in improving the referencing and record analysis of many different aspects in Ice Hockey. A talk page discussing improvements and reference validation would improve the pages much more.
Inputting several records on the main page would I believe increase the information and make the page irrelevant on its main output as explaining Ice Hockey in Olympics. Please respond to me here about your opinions, furthermore, and if multiple editors disagree in having such pages, then off course we can delete them, I just thought its an aspect of Ice Hockey in Olympics which would be valuable for the internet to know.
Thanks, Michalis2504 (talk) 15:10, 4 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there, personally I don't agree with their outright deletion, but I was going to suggest a merge of content. I think it would be fine to place on the main article. Or if there's a list of Olympic records, it could be placed there too.
However, if it is seen to pass WP:NLIST, then it won't matter. Conyo14 (talk) 17:18, 4 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Also thank you for changing the name of the pages accordingly. Michalis2504 (talk) 15:11, 4 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

New draft

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I recently created a draft about the Brazilian women’s ice hockey and inline hockey player Ana Boghossian. She has played an important role in the development of ice hockey in Brazil and has represented the country for several years in both the ice and inline national teams. I came here to ask for your help in finding additional reliable sources about her and to get your opinion on the overall quality of the draft. Any help would be of great assistance Haddad Maia fan (talk) 21:03, 4 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed at 2025–26 Czech Extraliga season

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I've created it to get off the ground, but it's late and I don't have the time nor energy to finish stripping the rest of the playoff section to its base state. Any help would be appreciated immensely. The Kip (contribs) 07:37, 7 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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