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Removal of quotes sections from Stanley Cup Final articles[edit]

isaacl has been removing the quotes from all of the Stanley Cup Final articles in accordance with a very short discussion here. I feel like the decision to remove the quotes across the board was extremely hasty considering a discussion between three members is nowhere near a consensus on the matter. I feel like it requires further discussion. Maybe not all of the quote sections are notable, but removing something like Gary Thorne's call of Bourque raising the Cup in 2001, which is extremely notable, shouldn't be done so flippantly. --Kevin W. - Talk 04:29, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

For reference, here is the section for the earlier discussion, which took place in September 2015, so I don't believe any haste was involved. As I mentioned in that discussion, if a given quote is notable, then I believe it should be integrated into the description for the corresponding game, which would provide relevant context. I agree the conversation did not involve a lot of people; unfortunately, participation in any given discussion can be highly variable. More input is always welcome! isaacl (talk) 04:44, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
I just went over several of those removals, including the one Kevin expressly mentioned, and I can't see where they're notable at all, let alone "extremely notable." "Notable," in Wikipedia terms, means that the quote itself is widely cited and memorable, above and beyond the action it depicts. Very few sports quotes can be held to be iconic, and I can think of only a handful that apply to hockey: we're talking Al Michaels/Foster Hewitt country, with a couple others such as "May Day" (grr) and "My two Cup rings are plugging up my ears." What Joe Sakic did on the ice that night is notable and memorable -- quite aside from yet more evidence that Sakic was one of the classiest players ever to lace skates. The turns of phrase the various media flacks and announcers used to burble about it have not proven to be. Ravenswing 12:07, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
In your opinion, what constitutes notability in this case? --Kevin W. - Talk 00:03, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
I just gave examples, above: quotes so famous that they are themselves talked about in reliable media sources. If you can find quotes as renowned as "Do you believe in miracles?" or "He shoots, he scores!" -- and can demonstrate that they are -- then those are worth separate sections in the pertinent articles. Ravenswing 03:04, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Do you believe that Gary Thorne's call of Ray Bourque raising the Cup passes that test? It is, of course, not as notable as the two you mentioned, but it's my opinion that that quote is one of the most famous in hockey history. It was notable enough to have at least one commercial made about that moment. --Kevin W. - Talk 17:00, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
Not remotely, obviously. I think we'd want rather more than a YouTube clip including five words of Thorne's call to support an assertion that it is, indeed, generally regarded as one of the most famous in hockey history. Ravenswing 17:11, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
The NHL made a commercial about Lanny McDonald too, and I wouldn't even suggest adding "You did it, Lanny. You finally did it" to the 1989 Stanley Cup Final article. Now, that being said, Issac already suggested to you a solution. If Thorne's quote really is "notable", then just integrate it into the paragraph that actually discusses Bourque. There is no need for a separate section. Resolute 18:34, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
I think there is a difference between memorable to those who heard it and having enduring fame. For a quote to be one of the most famous in hockey history, it must be essential to relating the history of hockey. I do not believe this to be the case for the quote in question. isaacl (talk) 01:30, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Note as the "Quotes" section was re-introduced at 2000 Stanley Cup Finals, I have linked to this discussion from Talk:2000 Stanley Cup Finals#Quotes section. isaacl (talk) 12:28, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Note I have also linked to this discussion from Talk:1996 Stanley Cup Finals#Quotes section and Talk:2010 Stanley Cup Finals#Quotes section. isaacl (talk) 15:08, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree with Kevin W.'s. Strong Notable. They should be there. ACMEWikiNet (talk) 00:35, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
@ACMEWikiNet: I recently re-removed the quotes from the 1996 page. Please provide evidence that quotes such as "What an incredible hockey game!" and "It's a tough one to lose. What a show the Panthers put on." are somehow Strong Notable. I would call that standard play-calling and those types of quotes make up about 90% of what was removed overall. Yosemiter (talk) 01:17, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
I have to agree with Yosemiter here. Those quotes are all standard play-calling. There is nothing overly notable about them. -DJSasso (talk) 16:47, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Lowry Johnson[edit]

This article's a mess. The one reference doesn't mention him. When I Google him it seems from this source that he is notable, but claims in our article are actually about his brother. I know nothing about ice hockey. Can one of you take a look? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:03, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Honestly, I'm almost minded to prod it. There's no evidence this guy comes within a country mile of the GNG, and none that he meets NHOCKEY either. At this remove, it's unlikely that significant coverage will materialize. Ravenswing 04:20, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Ravenswing. The source I found isn't promising enough for you? Go ahead and prod. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 07:43, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Per Ravenswing's reasoning this should be removed. Google search doesn't give any other source either. – Sabbatino (talk) 07:59, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Prodding now. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:02, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Deleted as expired PROD. -- Euryalus (talk) 07:59, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)#Ice_hockey_leagues_notability[edit]

Discussion you might want to peek in on ... Ravenswing 02:37, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

National Hockey League awards topic[edit]

Hello. I just learned that there have now been ten recipients for the Mark Messier Leadership Award, which I believe is enough for the list page to become a Featured List. This is important as the topic will have a retention period until three months from now. When the three months have ended the topic will be taken for review and be decided whether it would lose its status as a Featured Topic. Thank you for your time reading this. GamerPro64 19:39, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

CHL Import Draft[edit]

Would it be worth me creating a page for the 2015-16 CHL Import Draft, similar to the pages for the respective years NHL drafts? I'm more than happy to do so, i'm just unsure if it is too 'niche' an idea for an article? Mark49s (talk) 16:16, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Country links[edit]

There are editors who have interpreted WP:OLINK to mean don't link countries in articles, because they believe that coutnries are "major geographical features". Maybe the instructions to template:Infobox ice hockey player should be changed or maybe this should be disputed. At any rate, these two things seem to be in conflict. See this discussion. Alaney2k (talk) 18:14, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

TfD about hockey infoboxes[edit]

A discussion about whether more specific infoboxes like {{Infobox KHL team}} should be merged into {{Infobox hockey team}} is currently at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 July 9#Template:Infobox KHL team. Input would be appreciated. Thank you. —PC-XT+ 20:30, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

2016-17 Odense Bulldogs season[edit]

Could some admin move 2016-17 Odense Bulldogs season to 2016–17 Odense Bulldogs season? The latter seems to have been created manually and thus is currently not capable of accepting a move. Thanks in advance! –– Soccer-holicI hear voices in my head... 13:08, 14 July 2016 (UTC)