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Detailed review of OS X Lion Server: https://www.anandtech.com/show/4547/mac-os-x-lion-server-review/
All Ars articles about Mac OS X Server: https://arstechnica.com/tag/mac-os-x-server/

Split

If no one cares, I'm going to split up each version of Mac OS X Server into each different parts.

Though I don't have server systems to test, nor the software. Anyone know of the major, and minor differences between the software?

The "Open Directory" link is re-directed to "Open Directory Project".

Flaws and errors

Contributions/67.188.42.104 (talk) 21:29, 15 June 2009 (UTC) The section on Server 10.2 was overwritten with information about Server 10.3.[reply]

The following were pointed out as problems in this article earlier today (these aren't written by me, I might add):

" Prior to Mac OS X, Apple's AppleShare services provided server applications such as file and printer sharing and user management."

Incorrect. AppleShare was a product name. So correctly, it would be "Apple's AppleShare, and later AppleShareIP products..."

" An exception, however, are User services, which are based on the NetInfo feature of OPENSTEP."

...which *were* based primarily on the NetInfo directory service, another NeXT creation."

" User and file management are provided via Open Directory, an LDAP compatible server architecture."

Incorrect. Open Directory is an API and frameworks that creates an architecture via which various directory and directory - like services can plug into the OS. By itself, Open Directory doesn't do anything.

" Many common network services are provided such as NTP, SNMP, Web Server, Mail Server, LDAP, AppleTalk, Print Server."

No, it doesn't provide AppleTALK services, it provides AFP services. There is a rather large difference.

--JohnDBuell 22:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can verify all the points made by JohnDBuell above are spot on. Although i think Open Directory could be losely described as a "server architecture". The article does feel a little bare... there is much more info to be included here. Flimsyq 02:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What hardware required?

Can you run it on an Intel Mac mini? On an iMac? How much processing power / ram / disk size & speed are needed to serve typical workgroups of various sizes?

Yes. The current requirements are on this page in the sidebar: http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/specs.html

I think the system requirements should probably be included in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.9.142.96 (talk) 10:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Server Tools" section

Every one of these is a substub. I reckon we should merge the whole lot in here. Chris Cunningham 15:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Point of View

Can someone cite sources coming from a site that is not owned by Apple Inc.?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiknerd (talk • contribs) 22:48, 21 December 2007

Server is a mac only product. If you wish to add perspectives from non-apple sources go ahead. However, this does make the article unneutral. What POV do you have a problem with in the article? Unless a specified POV is identified that merits a POV tag the POV tag is not appropriate. Kd4ttc (talk) 01:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Add more information on Leopard Server

Leopard server, 10.5, has three new install modes: Standard, Workgroup, Advanced. I'm going to add more information about these different install modes. I'll try to link to relevant sources discussing the new modes in greater detail. Ggamette (talk) 17:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Snow Leopard

I've added mention of 10.6 to the list of versions. I think it could do with its own section like the others. Apple has details at http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/snowleopard/ - Anyone feel like wikifying some of that info? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.132.203 (talk) 13:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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More info needed

This article could use some information beyond that found in the product brochure. For example, I was curious what kind of market share OS X has for servers. -- Beland (talk) 01:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

License information is misleading

I think the licensing information should be rewritten to more closely resemble the Mac OS X (desktop) page. Currently it states that Mac OS X server's source module is "Open source (Darwin foundation is open source)". The Mac OS X page is more correct: "Closed source (with open source components)".

The same applies to the license, currently it states "Apple Public Source License / Apple EULA", but it would be more correct as: "Proprietary EULA" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.188.168 (talk) 04:51, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. Done. Guy Harris (talk) 20:31, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

System Requirements - Lion Server

Should it be mentioned in the system requirements for Lion Server that the web browsers specified are only for Wiki Server? --Kylalak (talk) 18:08, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with OS X

Now that the product is no longer sold separately, would it make sense to merge this article with OS X or keep it here for some sort of historical purpose? Lexlex (talk) 19:44, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've never seen an operating system supplanted by an application so don't really know what would work here. OS X Lion Server is now an app sold for $49 which requires OS X. What to do with this article? Lexlex (talk) 19:55, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My inclination is "don't merge, leave it as a historical record of the old days when Apple sold OS X Server as a separate OS package, and perhaps also use it to describe the contents of the add-on package for Lion and, if they continue this, Mountain Lion and subsequent releases". Guy Harris (talk) 03:25, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is largely true for Windows Server, many (if not most) proprietary Linux "server" distributions, etc. What differentiates the server "operating system" from the client is additional features and applications, but they obviously share the base operating system with the client versions. I'd say keep, and agree that it should probably continue to define what differentiates OS X Server (app or OS, doesn't really matter) from the generic OS X. jæs (talk) 19:39, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Inconsistent?

The part of the lead about Lion Server ("As of version 10.7 (Lion) ... A separate "server" operating system is no longer sold.") seems to contradics what is in section Mac OS X 10.7 (Lion) ("it would instead sell the server components as a US$49.99 add-on to Lion"). --Mortense (talk) 07:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's a little weird. Prior to Lion, Apple sold "Mac OS X", the client version, for one price, and "Mac OS X Server" for another price; the bulk of the code on the two OSes was the same, but "Mac OS X Server" included some additional applications and libraries. With Lion, the common code is sold as "Mac OS X Lion", and the additional server code was sold as an add-on. So there's no separate server operating system in the sense of a package you buy that is "Mac OS X Lion Server" in its entirety, but there is a package you can buy that, when added to "Mac OS X Lion", provides a version of Lion that includes tools to set it up and manage it as a server. Guy Harris (talk) 07:57, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

So how does Mountain Lion differ from Lion here?

There's no "Lion Server" as a complete OS product, there's just Lion and a server add-on package. Is this any different from Mountain Lion? Guy Harris (talk) 18:33, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is no difference. I think this article should become historic and perhaps create another one for the add on package(s) for server features. The additions to this page over the past few months make it seem like this product still exists. It doesn't. Lexlex (talk) 20:08, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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NetBSD code?

The Unix family tree at Commons:File:Unix history-simple.svg suggests that the original Mac OS X Server combined NextStep and NetBSD code. Is that correct? I can't find it mentioned anywhere, except on the Simple English Wikipedia. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 17:07, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Apple Mac OS X Server incorporates numerous components and subsystems from various simply, permissively licensed open source projects, including FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, and open-sourced components used in the Solaris/OpenSolaris family of operating systems; as a result, it is an over-simplification to say that Mac OS X Server is just a “combination” of X and Y. —PowerPCG5 (talk) 02:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And the same applies to non-server versions of macOS (under all three names macOS has had). Guy Harris (talk) 02:45, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

End-of-Life (EOL) or End-of-Support (EOS) dates

It would be useful to include the end-of-support dates for each version. For regular Mac OS X, I believe the usual support model is the current major version and 2 prior major versions. I expect the support model is similar for MacOS Server, but I'm not certain Cherdt (talk) 17:36, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mac OS X Server is the clean common name

Mac OS X Server is the clear common name, see Google Ngram. All the huge 500-page manuals written about Mac OS X Server were written in that "Mac OS X"-era, pre-Lion (there wasn't much to write about, after Lion). I'm boldly moving the page. DFlhb (talk) 13:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removed open source components tables

I just removed the open-source components tables in this diff, due to finding no secondary sources. If you find any, feel free to bring them back, though please bring them back at the bottom of the article (in an "Open-source components" section"), and flip the tables, so the Mac OS X Server version numbers are on the left, and the components are on top. Such flipping is easy to do with LibreOffice. DFlhb (talk) 14:43, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]