Talk:Ocean Man
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Internet meme
[edit]"Beginning in late December of 2015 and continuing throughout January, the song gained popularity as it became an internet meme."[1]
Several problems here, but let's start with the easiest. A post on reddit is not a reliable source. It is a self-published source. Find a reliable source and we'll take it from there.
More generally, if you make a bold change to an article and you are reverted but disagree with the revert, it is time to discuss the issue. - SummerPhDv2.0 02:19, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Search trends [2]
- I think that source might do well to explain where the idea the song is an internet meme is coming from. The question is, then, what is a meme? By looking at the page for internet meme, I think it is a piece of media that spreads through the culture. - MrMenelaos
- I found a secondary search trend, that while is small, is comparatively bigger to previous months. [3] 50.153.242.0 (talk) 00:51, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
- A Google search is not a reliable source for anything. Additionally, this shows only that some unknown number of people searched for "ocean man meme" on Google. It would not support the claim if it were a reliable source. - SummerPhDv2.0 01:52, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
- A google search is definitely a reliable source if one is trying to find out how common a search result is. There is no reason this would be inaccurate. You surely must agree that google search results are accurate, and thus, reliable. However, I do understand when you say this only searched for "ocean man meme" and can be mutually exclusive to an actual meme. I will keep looking, but I wonder, what constitutes a reliable source for an internet meme? MrMenelaos 17:02, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
- "Base articles on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." WP:V
- A Google search is not fact checked in any way. In any case, the result does not say the song gained in popularity or that it became an internet meme. Rather, it shows how often people searched on Google for the phrase "ocean man meme" in two months relative to each other: An unknown number of times in January 2016, roughly one tenth as many times in December 2015 and either not at all or an insignificant number of times before that.
- Personally, I'd be looking for a reliable, third-party, published source discussing the supposed meme before we would discuss it in the article. Without that, we might as well be speculating about the spike in searches for "ghoti" in November 2011[4] or the sudden interest in "baby fish mouth" in January 2011.[5] - SummerPhDv2.0 04:33, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
- Is this a third party source? [6] MrMenelaos 01:17, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
- Third party? Yes, but it is not a reliable source. - SummerPhDv2.0 02:45, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
- Is this a third party source? [6] MrMenelaos 01:17, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
- A google search is definitely a reliable source if one is trying to find out how common a search result is. There is no reason this would be inaccurate. You surely must agree that google search results are accurate, and thus, reliable. However, I do understand when you say this only searched for "ocean man meme" and can be mutually exclusive to an actual meme. I will keep looking, but I wonder, what constitutes a reliable source for an internet meme? MrMenelaos 17:02, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
- A Google search is not a reliable source for anything. Additionally, this shows only that some unknown number of people searched for "ocean man meme" on Google. It would not support the claim if it were a reliable source. - SummerPhDv2.0 01:52, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
- I found a secondary search trend, that while is small, is comparatively bigger to previous months. [3] 50.153.242.0 (talk) 00:51, 28 January 2016 (UTC)