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Treading carefully, here...
...but I put back the line about optometrists' suggesting that they be regarded as primary eye care doctors.
I think that somewhere, the subtleties of ophthalmogist/optometrist rivalry do need to be stated as clearly and neutrally as possible.
I don't belong to either profession, BTW.
In the region where I live, it appears to me that for the most part, there is in practice an evolution toward optometrists for primary care and opthalmologists as specialists fo referral. One way in which this is taking place is that at least one ophthalmological group practice I know of employs an optometrist, and is the first "doctor" every patient sees.
I don't think anybody would dispute that ophthalmogists have had considerably more training, and that they are MD's (unlike optometrists).
Do ophthalmogists dispute the appropriateness of optometrists to serve as "primary eye care" practitioners?
I believe many health insurers in my area (Massachusetts) will pay for routine eye exams by optometrists, but only will pay for ophthalmologic services if a specific condition has been diagnosed, i.e. the health insurers seem to want optometrists to be the entry point for eye care. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 19:40, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Can someone tell me why there are two words for eye doctor, ophthamologist and oculist. Oculist is mainly used in europe. Xhamlliku—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs) 01:15, 24 February 2005 (UTC).
There is a lot of overlapping usage, but according to the lists of definitions in One-Look, an oculist tends to be a diagnostician, and ophthalmologist tends to be a surgeon for human eyes & eye function.
Wikidity (talk) 22:39, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
I am busy at the moment - but just came across this History of Opthalmology website. Seems quite extensive, probably a good source when someone'd like to start a history section. --Oldak Quill 11:57, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I can think of two ophthalmologists who are famous for reasons unrelated to ophthalmology: Arthur Conan Doyle and Bashar al-Assad. Do they belong in the entry? If not, perhaps retitling the section to 'Famous Contributors to Ophthalmology' would be closer to the mark? - Ikkyu2 06:26, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
The list of ophthalmologists is long enough that it warrants a separate page, I think. PedEye1 20:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Regarding: "Patricia Bath was a professional ophthalmologist, who received a patent for a laser catract remover. In 1988, she was the very first African American woman to receive a patent." Various sources state that Dr. Bath was the first African American woman doctor to receive a patent for a medical invention, not the very first African American woman to receive a patent. (I believe Sarah Goode earned that honor a century earlier.) Although I think that makes her notable, I'm not sure that makes her a famous ophthalmologist. Her "laserphaco" device is certainly not commonly used and there is a surprising lack of information about it in the mainstream ophthalmology sources. It has certainly not transformed modern cataract surgery as some sources suggest, and others are credited with first performing the technique . I'm interested in hearing other opinions as to whether her name should stay on the list or not; if consensus is for it to stay, I am happy to clean up the listing to make it a bit more accurate. My own vote is that it should not in that there are hundreds of ophthalmologists who are more well known or with similar achievements (except for the part that states "the first African American woman doctor to receive a patent for a medical invention"). -AED 21:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)last edited 23:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- I have my doubts whether ophthalmologists famous for other things than ophthalmology should be listed here. Doyle was a writer, Assad is a - shall we say - politician, and Bath is famous for being black. When it comes to Doyle and Assad, I am opposed to their listing as "famous ophthalmologists". The fact that they were ophthalmologists is trivia that belongs in their own biographies, not there. Bath, in my mind, deserves a page but not a listing here. JFW | T@lk 21:09, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Tabone wasn't the first to address trachoma or think of using sulfonamides to treat trachoma. Per the Trachoma article:
- In 1913, President Woodrow Wilson signed an act designating funds for the eradication of the disease, according to an article in Surv Ophthalmol. 2002 Sep-Oct;47(5):500-9. 
- By the late 1930s, a number of ophthalmologists reported success in treating trachoma with sulfonamide antibiotics In 1948, Vincent Tabone (who was later to become the President of Malta) was entrusted with the supervision of a campaign to treat trachoma using sulfonamide tablets and drops. 
- -AED 17:07, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
Dr Marvin L. Kwitko
In the lists of famous ophthalmologists, there isnt a single canadian. I think with the adding Dr. Marvin Kwitko to the list would be a good representation of Canadian ophthalmology. "He was the first person to do Lazer eyer surgery in Canada", could be his snippet. He also wrote the book "eyes", which is still used in medical schools today, as well as progressed the feild of cataract treatment for children and the elderly.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Beuh pudding (talk • contribs) 07:33, 3 October 2006) (UTC).
- It appears that Kwitko is notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia, but I'm afraid that being Canadian or the first to perform laser eye surgery in a particular region doesn't make him a famous ophthalmologist. Similarly, Eyes and his other achievements make him notable but not necessarily famous. -AED 17:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Should he even be listed? He is not certified by the AMA or American Board of Ophthalmology. He is at best self certified via his group National Board of Ophthalmology which is not a recognized certifying body by the AMA or other mainstream medical associations. 
Regarding the picture...
Is the use of the phoropter (optical refractor) as the sole illustration a little misleading? The public tend to associate the phoropter with optometrists, and furthermore the field of ophthalmology is far more sophisticated than mere refraction procedures. A corneal graft would perhaps be a good start in my opinion, as it reflects the delicacy of their work. Any thoughts? Mick lucas 14:28, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- Not sure what is meant here by "sophisticated", but I think an image of a surgeon working on an eye would be fantastic. -AED 23:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
- Image added - slit lamp examination of a patient by the Ophthalmologist. In public view, it is the "big machine" which every patient associates with the Ophthalmologist examining their eyes. EyeMD 07:50, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- I know the request is close to being prehistoric, but is there still a wish for a picture of a corneal graft? Just asking because I could add two nice ones (one with sutures directly after surgery and another one years later with just a slightly visible demarcation). Anyway, I will add them to the media commons (keratoplasty.jpg and fresh keratoplasty.jpg) and if You think it might be a good addition here - please feel free to put them in! --PFrankoZ (talk) 20:46, 16 May 2012 (UTC)