Talk:Order of the Ship and the Mussel
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Accuracy
[edit]I can find no sources earlier than André Favyn and none more recent the early twentieth century for the existence of this order. Sources you's think ought to mention it (Louis IX and the Challenge of the Crusade: A Study in Rulership, for example, or The Knights of the Crown: The Monarchical Orders of Knighthood in Later Medieval Europe) don't, even in passing. There was an Order of the Ship founded in 1381 in Naples. None of the sources seems to have this "Order of the Ship and the Mussel" surviving Louis IX's death. I wonder if perhaps the foundation by Louis IX in 1269 is a later legend that gave the Neapolitan order or the later Ordre du Croissant added prestige. That's nothing more than a hunch at this point. I do not have access to Boulton's paper "The Middle French Statutes of the Monarchical Order of the Ship"; Boulton's Knights of the Crown talks extensively about the Neapolitan order without mentioning a legendary French foundation. Srnec (talk) 02:25, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
- Everything cited here makes me suspect that some 17th century antiquarian misread something, and that mistake passed into 18th and 19th century dictionaries and encyclopedias. There are a lot of modern biographies of Louis, and none of them seem to mention it. Adam Bishop (talk) 00:21, 12 June 2015 (UTC)