Talk:Ottoman conquest of Habesh

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@Havenzeye stop adding unsourced information to the infobox, there is no evidence that the Ottomans aspired to conquer all of Ethiopia. And the Abyssinians attempted to expel the Ottomans from Massawa on numerous occasions but ended in failure. This was not an Ethiopian victory at all محرر البوق (talk) 01:35, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ottoman Victory

@Socialwave597 Why are you removing the information in the infobox that states it was an Ottoman Victory? Multiple sources state that they were successful in establishing a presence over the entire Eritrean coastline and organising an Eylat for this conquest. Albeit the costs from the war with many soldiers succumbing to sickness due to the climate. Replayerr (talk) 12:11, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Replayerr Cite your sources. The Ottomans also tried to take all of Mereb Milash and Tigray, they had outposts as far as Agame and Tembien until they were defeated at the Battle of Addi Qorro. However their hold on the coastline remained unbroken and an Ethiopian siege on Hirgigo ended in failure. The sources instead say that this war ended in a stalemate between the Ottomans and the Ethiopians after they signed a peace treaty in 1589 [1] (pg 98). I could not find any sources stating it was an Ottoman victory, even if they did make some (minor) territorial gains. Socialwave597 (talk) 23:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suleiman the Magnificent met with Ozdemir Pasha face to face in the gardens of Topkapi palace where he was presented with plans to capitalise the gains in Yemen by extending influence on Eritrea's Red Sea coastline.[2] By the end of 1577, he established full control over the Habesh(the Eritrean coastline) in the name of SuleimanThe creation of the province was followed with the victories of Ozdemir from 1559-1560 [3]

After fulfilling his objective of the initial plan, he looked to penetrate the interior which he ultimately failed to do because he succumbed to heatstroke.

The territorial gains weren't "minor" but caused Ethiopia to lose direct access to the sea and had strong effects on their communication outside of the nation which is why they heavily relied on Baylul(Dankali Sultanate's main port) as their point of trade.

Would you say that for the results of the war.

- Ottomans succeed in establishing control of the coastline( Partial Ottoman victory/success in Eritrea, military stalemate in Ethiopia).

- Ethiopia loses direct access to the sea, becoming landlocked. Replayerr (talk) 00:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Özdemir Pasha was indeed victorious in seizing the Red Sea coast from Ethiopia, but the Turks also aimed to conquer Ethiopia per[4] "Yishaq and the Turkish pasha perished on the battlefield. This victory terminated the last serious Ottoman attempt to conquer Ethiopia: not until the nineteenth century were the Muslim elements of the coast again in a position to threaten the Christian empire."

I would say that the Ottomans were victorious in conquering the coastline but were defeated attempting to conquer Ethiopia, or even the Christian highlands adjacent to the coastal lowlands such as Hamasien. Neither side achieved their main objectives, therefore I see no point in adding "Ottoman victory" or "Ethiopian victory" to the infobox, as it would make no sense, especially without sources explicitly stating so. Socialwave597 (talk) 03:22, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So you agree that the Ottomans were victorious in conquering the coastline. Should I include this in the results as a partial success, Ethiopia becomes landlocked should also be included. Replayerr (talk) 13:04, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Ottomans did managed to conquer the coastline, however that was included in the infobox and was on there for quite some time now. Just leave the results as it is for reasons explained above. Socialwave597 (talk) 20:17, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]