Talk:Paamayim Nekudotayim

Coul we get some Pronounciation, I don't know Hebrew. :D--Capi crimm 21:32, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It has the IPA pronounciation beside it: /paʔamajim nəkudotajim/ - In english letters: Pa-amayeem Nekoodotayeem --Patrick Lucas 00:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why, God, Why?[edit]

Why? Seriously. WHY?

Is there any official explanation as to why they decided to go with that inpronouncible Hebrew name? "Double colon" would have been way shorter and way more comprehensible.

Is there any reason other than intentional awkwardness of the term and its translation?

It wouldn't be the first time that open source software shipped with something this awkward, but it seems a wee bit too random to me to be an intentional joke. — Ashmodai ^{(talk · contribs)} 08:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Paamayim Nekudotayim would, at first, seem like a strange choice for naming a double-colon. However, while writing the Zend Engine 0.5 (which powers PHP 3), that's what the Zend team decided to call it. It actually does mean double-colon - in Hebrew!

From the zend website--71.225.141.62 03:56, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clarity is a hallmark of superior system design. By that measure this term fails miserably. Quite the reverse, it only creates obscurity and confusion. Inventing a new, meaningless, term for a well understood programming concept suggests those at Zend value nothing more than their own egos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.8.118.147 (talk) 14:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't completely meaningless, it's Hebrew. And it dates way back before Zend even existed. It's just "there" and I don't think lots of people ever complained about it in the bug tracker, or it might have been removed a long time ago. --DietrichM (talk) 14:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hibrew is great, but choice of Hibrew in reporting error messages in a general use programming language is pretty dumb. - Evgeny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.200.203.33 (talk) 00:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poor Hebrew[edit]

Well, actually it's not Hebrew at all. In Hebrew, נקודה nekdua is a point or a dot, and נקודתיים nekudatayim mean two points (as written in the article: nekuda + tayim dual suffix). נקודותיים nekudotayimhowever is an incorrect form, that mean נקודות nekudot (points, plural form) + the (t)ayim dual suffix.

It's a common error, yet it still is one. conio.h • talk 16:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, there is no error- נקודותיים in this dual form is litraly "colon" (the punctuation symbol), so פעמיים נקודותיים is double colon- exactly what the error is. 79.179.128.193 (talk) 21:47, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The form nekudotaim instead of nekudataim (as the Hebrew word for 'colon') is in fact an error according to the traditional rules of Hebrew grammar. But it's also true that it is by far the most common form among Israelis. Fundamentisto (talk) 02:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why?[edit]

Why do we have this article? What purpose does it serve? It perhaps merits a small section on the PHP page. It is not article material. 70.16.60.70 01:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. I was coding once when it came up and wanted to see what it was. I came straight to thie page and there it was. That's useful, and even if it's a short article, a peculiarity such as this deserves its own page. Marcus J Gilroy-Ware 17:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Same process here. Please, let's not have another deletion debate. This article is clearly useful, and removing it would not improve Wikipedia. -- Dandv (talk) 06:25, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I came to the page Scope Resolution Operator to know the origin of :: (I assume Bjarne Stroustrup invented "::" in that use and gave it that name). 65.113.40.1 (talk) 23:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article seems to be based solely on the PHP language. I would like to see the article redirected to Double colon and expanded to include its uses in other languages as well. This operator is not exclusive to PHP, nor is PHP the first language to use it; it seems presumptuous to forward all other references to a PHP specific URL and definition. Motoma (talk) 19:35, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed it *is* based on the PHP language. That's because it's *about* the PHP language. This is *not* a general article on the scope-resolution operator or on the :: glyph. It's about a specific bit of leftover weirdness in PHP that can be extremely confusing to developers, so shedding light on its meaning and history is useful. 71.30.184.148 (talk) 14:24, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It demonstrates a reason not to use PHP for programming, so it has merit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.200.203.33 (talk) 00:35, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

International Versions[edit]

Would be good to have an entry for this in the Hebrew wikipedia... is anyone able? (218.111.211.151 08:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Please add the code that produced the error to the main article[edit]

--Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 20:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]