Talk:Papakha

Dan Roberts?

Pretty sure he is not a famous Georgian poet. Not an expert here myself - if anyone is, please correct. Thanks. --70.42.54.162 (talk) 16:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Brezhnev's hat

Pretty sure his hat is a Papakhi, see http://www.russianheadwear.com/index.php Lumos3 (talk) 22:17, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Is it? The same image is on the karakul page with President Ford cropped out and a caption that identifies the hat as a karakul. I'm no expert on Asian headwear, but I think it is a karakul rather than a papkhi or kubanka. While the papakhi is often made from karakul wool, the papakhi has a curved top like a dome or a flat circular top. The hat that Brezhnev is wearing has sides that come together in the center to form a narrow top like a side cap. It looks more like a Jinnah-style karakul than a Cossack-style papakhi. APS221 (talk) 04:56, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Brezhnev was the patty-hat (shapka-pirozhok, шапка-пирожок) fan actualy. It has the form of side cap. I know it, cause I'm Russian. We never call hats of this style as "papakha", believe me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.132.114.169 (talk) 12:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Azeri Turkic

Dear Wkipedia Users,

The Papakh comes from an Azeri Turkic version of the original Turkic word Papaq the difference is Azerbaijani speakers use x instead of k which in turn makes sense as Azeri Turkic was lingua-franca of Caucasian region before Russian campaign. Also several Azeris Scholars have noted that Papakh has originated in Azerbaijan and was very famous attire of men, even till modern days the papakh is seen as symbol of masculinity and wisdom — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.210.156.150 (talk) 06:52, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Another Armenian Attempt to Armenize the Papakha

This section has been altered several times by Armenians, who keep deleting my sources for Azeri Turkic origin of the word and literally "shoving" Armenia here as well as unrecognized N/K. Papakh is clearly a Turkic word and even if the item itself is of Caucasian origin the word is Azeri Turkic! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.26.53.243 (talk) 06:09, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

You do not get to change words from academic sources just because you don't like them. Dictionaries are not reliable sources. If you don't have sources for your claims, don't post them. --Hyrudagon (talk) 15:56, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

First of all, I did not change the word but i took it from the Russian Wikipedia where it states that Papakha is Azeri Turkic word, It comes from word Papakh, the source is one of the earliest pre-Soviet encyclopedias second of all stop deleting Section with Azerbaijan and doing your best to erase anything that has Azerbaijan there. If you do not stop i will report you for vandalism. Moreover, please check i updated both claims from iranicaonline.com, i hope no more questions or claims remain!

The line abut hats tradition with men comes from the academic source I gave: Very large wool hats (papakh) made in different shapes, sizes, and types of wool were very common in eastern Armenia and Karabagh. A man's hat was a very important part of his identity.

Your link just says the hat is worn and says nothing about it. Do not remove my sources and change the content just because you don't like it. Dictionaries are not good sources. And stop your POV edits with "separatist" nonsense. I already gave you a warning, if you keep this up you will be given punishment. --Hyrudagon (talk) 19:13, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Dear User, First of all lets start with your source. 1) Constant use of Nagorno Karabagh- First of all the author in the book does not refer to N/K as an entity but a geographical location however, there is a problem with your source since it is biased and is against the Neutral point of view regarding the N/K issue. Her constant use of incorrect political terms such as "Armenia and Karabagh" does give a false opinion to the reader as if the Karabagh is a separate region. N/K is a de-facto and de-jure part of Azerbaijan and is not even recognized by Armenia, as well Shushi is only used by Armenians while in the common terms the word Shusha is used. Adding to that Azerbaijan and Turkey are barely even mentioned which again makes this source as heavily biased to Armenian side which again conflicts with the Neutral point of View of Wikipedia. In case you desire to always use Nagorno Karabagh as separate you should also mention Dagestan, Checnya, Ossetia and other Russian entities since they wear papakha more often than Armenians. 3) Word Papkha even though you don't like it is an Azeri Turkic word, It should be clear that in Azerbaijan they use word Papaq and Papkha is derivative from that,i'm also wondering since when the official vocabularies are not as reliable source? if not please find other sources that state that "Three Azeri men donning traditional hats called papakhas."also i included iranicaonline.com where it states that Papaq is worn in Azerbaijan however you also deleted that source instead of keeping it! which itself is an edit war and vandalism however i will not revert the edits but raise this question with dispute resolution! Last but no least, Andranik is a national hero in Armenia but separatist in Turkey and Azerbaijan here i would advise just keeping him as general or his army rank since it is fine with me. Agulani (talk) 06:39, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

No where in my edit does it mention the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, just Armenians who live in the region. Andranik change is fine, but the quote about the hat is talking about Cossacks not Azeris. Please put something unique like regions where the hat is most popular, like with Armenia and Georgia. The Iranica just says it's a popular clothing, it doesn't say the origin of the word, and as I've said a dictionary is not a credible source. There is no guaranteed origin of the word and it's best left out for neutrality sake. --Hyrudagon (talk) 18:12, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

I found an encyclopedia that mentions its of Azerbaijni origin, My point of argument is i have 3 sources that state clear Turkic and Azeri origin of the word. Find me a source that states it is not? if you don't agree don't delete my sentences but get a 3rd point. While i have clear sources and points , you just wish to delete them since YOU deem them unreliable! Second referring to N/K as geography does not make ANY SENSE! you refer to country then you refer to geography then you should mention Azeris of Nagorno Karabakh who wear the same attire, but as well as Armenians of Syunik, Yervan, Dilijan who wear them either we keep using Political terms which makes sense or we just use Azeris, Georgians and Armenians. It seems to me that adding N/K you politicize here to prove the point that as if it is some how separate from Azerbaijan? Is it?? It is not even recognized by Armenia so here your claim goes dead Agulani (talk) 09:47, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

References

Let's be clear here, iranicaonline and asia.rbth never claim the origin is Azeri, just acknowledge it is worn there. asia.rbth actually calls the origin Cossack and merely shows a picture of a Turkmen in Azerbaijan. MEMIM makes it clear the origin is unknown and merely takes a guess, so it is not a source for your point. Nobody is saying to politicize or claim the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic except for the voices in your head, the academic source mentions Armenians in Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh, no one else, so that is what is put. --Hyrudagon (talk) 19:43, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Removing hat's Turkic origin and glorifying its use in Armenia

Lavtxa777 is removing sourced information about hat's Turkic origin and about how it's worn throughout Caucasus by replacing "Papaqs are very important to mountainous peoples’ of the Caucasus" with "Papakha are very common in Armenia as well as other mountainous regions". Stop edit-warring and read WP:NPOV and WP:RS. — CuriousGolden (T·C) 16:09, 27 January 2021 (UTC)