Talk:Philip J. Avillo, Jr.

"(cur) (last) 07:43, 27 July 2008 Stormie (Talk | contribs) (99 bytes) (#redirect to election article as per standard practice for candidates, per WP:BIO "just being an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability") (undo)"

I'm a new contributor to Wikipedia and I appreciate the quick editorial feedback, however, I disagree think that this subject is "just" an unelected candidate.

First, from Wikipedia:Notability (people) "A person is generally notable if they meet any of the following standards."

"The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for them."
"The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field."

And, from Wikipedia:Notability (academics)

"The person is regarded as a significant expert in his or her area by independent sources."
"The person has published a significant and well-known academic work. An academic work may be significant or well known if, for example, it is widely used as a textbook; if it is itself the subject of multiple, independent works; or if it is widely cited by other authors in the academic literature."
"The person has received a notable award or honor, or has been often nominated for them."

The subject meets all of these criteria based on his published work as an historian and his awards for his military service.

In Wikipedia:Notability (academics):

"If an academic/professor meets any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, they are definitely (italics not mine) notable."

I do not think the subject is un-notable. I would like to revert to the original published article and appreciate any feedback or edits to the biographical content but do not feel it should be removed entirely. Thanks.

Counterstatement (talk) 13:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure which of those many notability criteria you're claiming Avillo meets? The awards for military service don't seem notable in and of themselves - for that, we'd be talking about honours which had only ever been awarded to a small number of people such as the Victoria Cross (see List of Victoria Cross recipients by name, an effort has been made to write an article on all 1300 or so recipients). The Air Medal and Navy Commendation Medal don't fit that do they? (obviously the Purple Heart doesn't, with hundreds of thousands of recipients).

Can you add some more about his published work as a historian? At the moment all the article says is "He has been a Professor of History at York College of Pennsylvania since 1975" which is no assertion of notability, but I'll leave the article alone for the moment so you can add details of his publications. I tried to take a look myself but the link to his personal page from [1] seems to be broken. --Stormie (talk) 21:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the consideration and for explaining the award notability, I'll work on getting publications into this article--Counterstatement (talk) 22:23, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

p.s. if you're confident you can bolster the article with some detail on his publications, it's probably also worth a mention that Avillo stood unsuccessfully for the PA 19th district in 2006 - there was actually an article at Phil Avillo that was deleted in late 2006 as an unsuccessful candidate (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phil Avillo). There wasn't really anything useful in that deleted article, but the Todd Russell Platts article at least has some numbers for that election - Platts 64%, Avillo 33%, Maitland (Green Party) 3%. --Stormie (talk) 03:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Stormie again for your time and help. I can't get to this until next week, rather than let the questionable article sit I'll feel better if its reverted it back to the redirect until I have more time to work on the article. Respectfully. --Counterstatement (talk) 20:51, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]