Talk:Quickening (Highlander)

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The section =Mortal Beheadings= doesn't make much sense to me:

"...and his band of allies beheaded several immortals between 1990-1993. Since they were mortal...".

It may need a copyedit by someone in the know. -- I@ntalk 15:02, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Quickening in Highlander 1[edit]

In the first Highlander movie, a Quickening was the sensation an immortal got when he encountered another immortal. The process of absorbing energy from a beheaded immortal didn't have a name. Or am I mistaken? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.215.147.45 (talk) 05:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

I'd say a bit mistaken, but only just a bit as that may be partially correct. Watch the end of the movie, just after Connor beheads the Kurgan. As he's taking in the Kurgan's life force (and thus the prize) and is lifted off the ground by the specteral figures and such he states "The quickening overpowers me! I know, I know everything! I am everything!" Ramirez tells Connor when he's being zapped by lightning that the "The sensation you are feeling is the quickening," but this occurs a good time after Ramirez has arrived and Connor never explicity sensed Ramirez's presence as he should have once he became immortal. In fact just before that begins to occur Connor begins to suffer stomach pains. And then as their completing Connor's training and Ramirez has him feel the stag's heart beat until their both running as fast as a stag Ramirez also claims that sensation is the quickening. This seems to suggest several possible explinations are given in the movie as to what the quickening is. The first is that the quickening may be a means of sensing another immortal, though it doesn't first occur until after meeting another immortal after one's mortal death (and then it will take a few minutes to kick in). The second is a heightening of senses and abilities, making one faster and more observant of the presence of other immortals (perhaps this is why later they can sense another immortal before they see them). And the third is that the quickening is a part of the process of beheading another immortal. -annonymous 3/11/10 2:59 AM EST. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.71.219.113 (talk) 07:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

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Highlander 3[edit]

The second Quickening to be seen, where Kane beheads one of his henchmen, causes an electrical storm powerful enough to be felt by Connor MacLeod halfway around the world. This would serve to warn Connor that The Game was not over yet; whether this was an isolated event or something that happens after a long time has passed by with a temporary 'suspension' of The Game remains to be seen.

This event occured because when Kane became burried under the mountain, he "died" and his body underwent a state of suspended animation, even to the extent that other Immortal's would not sense his presence. When he revived, his Quickening signature recovered and Connor "felt The Prize taken from him" as Kane was alive once more. This happened because Connor was supposed to have been the last Immortal but Kane and his henchmen were and when they revived, becoming fully alive again, this nullified his status as winner of the Game and thusly holder of The Prize.--William Kayton (talk) 20:11, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Holy Ground Beheading[edit]

The rules of the Highlander universe state that Immortal combat is strictly forbidden on Holy Ground, though in Endgame Jacob Kell beheaded multiple immortals and there were no repercussions, despite them being on holy ground.

Actually a spokesman for Davis/Panzer productions stated in an interveiw that the Sanctuary was built on a location that wasn't really Holy Ground. This was originally their explaination for the apparent inconsistency listed above.

Although now that it has been logically and officially explained we might want to rewrite that. --William Kayton (talk) 19:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

That's good. When rewriting, please provide the reference, so that other people can verify what you say. I'm interested in reading that interview myself, you know, you never have enough sources. Cheers, Rosenknospe (talk) 14:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
  • Okay. ^_^ Actually though, now that I remember, it was spoken in the audio commentary for the Endgame DVD, by either Davis or Panzer, I can't remember. When I get some time I'll check it out and get you the actual quote for it. --William Kayton (talk) 16:02, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

An Immortal's first Quickening[edit]

In the original Highlander film, there are two references to "Quickening" that doesn't involve beheading. Connor stands on a mountaintop in Scotland and raises his arm and is struck by lightning multiple times, appearing to be in great pain. Ramirez says "The sensation you're feeling is the Quickening." It could be that this is an early understanding of the Quickening that was later discarded in the Highlander mythos, or it could be explained as Ramirez demonstrating to Connor that the Quickening "feels like" getting struck by natural lightning.

It seems some facts have been overlooked by some Highlander fans. Connor being struck by lightning after meeting Ramirez for the first time was the event of his first "natural Quickening". This Quickening is given to all new Immortals some time after their first death and is what imprints their own knowledge and power into the Quickening which will grant their own body the ability to heal and such. Generally, this Quickening is gained after they come across another Immortal after their First Death, triggering The Quickening, and causing one to enter them.

After all, how would an evil Immortal get a Quickening from a new Immortal If they had never had a Quickening enter their body in the first place?

The above information on the page needs to be looked over and revised. If this isn't done in a few months, I'll take the liberty of doing it myself If it's alright with everyone else. --William Kayton (talk) 22:26, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Feel free, but remember everything must be referenced to reliable sources. Please remember that original research is not allowed on Wikipedia. Cheers, Rosenknospe (talk) 07:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
And please remember to put any new discussion topic at the bottom of the page. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 08:02, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

-.-' It's not original research. Connor obviously received his share of Quickening to start with as an Immortal. I think the fact that Ramirez pointed that out and they kept it in the movie sort of clarifies that a bit. Also, that's why I said this needs to be looked over, because someone obviously misunderstood that part of the film. --William Kayton (talk) 19:25, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, or maybe the producers added the lightning because it made the scene more dramatic. That would be my opinion. Or maybe Ramirez only wanted Connor to know what a Quickening feels like. You see what I mean ? Different people have different opinions on things, that's why we need citations. But what's obvious for you is not necessarily obvious for me, or for someone who has never seen the movie. That's why original research is not allowed. But what the producers say about their movies is important because they know what they wanted to do, and what professional reviewers say is important because it's their job to review movies. That's why we cite them.
Now please don't let this deter you. The article is in a poor state, I agree with you on this one. There are a lot of things that should be changed and if you want to do it, please go ahead. But the right way to do it is to add citations and keep away from in-universe interpretations. We can't interpret anything, but if there are conflicting interpretations that come from reliable sources (producers, media, reviewers etc), then we have to mention all of them.
Sorry about that. I hate to spoil your fun, but if you want to become a good editor, citations are the way to go. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 14:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
  • No, your right. I apologize.

Come to think of it though, I remember reading about that scene in the final copy of the Highlander Script, and it did mention something about that being Connor's "natural Quickening" and his first introduction to it as his Immortality was truly awakened with Ramirez' approach. It'll be hard to look for the script but I'll try my best to find it and get the direct quote.

Back in the day I used to watch Highlander religiously and even read the scripts so I can remember bits of important information, but it's been a while. --William Kayton (talk) 16:07, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey, no need to apologize. You can't know everything from the start. I've been around for eighteen months and I'm still learning ;D I would really love it if you can provide those quotes, it would do the article much good. Have a nice day, Rosenknospe (talk) 08:21, 23 June 2008 (UTC)