Talk:R rotunda

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"The half-r probably was not used in the British typefaces used during the American Revolution, or it would have been remembered by Americans, as is the long s."

It's not clear what the purpose or meaning of this comment is intended to be. Is the intended sense "the half-r fell out of use before the long s, and was obsolete in printed works by the time of the American Revolution, which is why it is not so well known today"? If so, then a less culturally-biased reference point should be chosen, and the relevance of the point made clearer. (Incidentally, I am not aware that the half-r is any more widely known in Britain, Australia, or Timbuktu than it is in America, so perhaps a more general point about when it became obsolete would be more appropriate for this encyclopedia?)

The whole paragraph was rather odd, though that was the most bizarre comment. "Probably"? As though we no longer have access to anything printed in 18th-century England, apart from what fragments we can reconstruct from American cultural memory? — Haeleth Talk 12:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Image of normal r for comparison[edit]

It would be nice if there was a corresponding image of the "normal r" in the same typeface and size -- and perhaps some example text -- otherwise it's a bit hard to picture it.--Ejrh 14:00, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Supplied! --Stemonitis 16:06, 22 October 2005 (UTC)


Unicode Consortium is planning to add uppercase R rotunda to U+A74E, while the lowercase to U+A74F. --Hello World! 09:46, 22 February 2006 (UTC) Appeared in N2957 but did not appear in UnicodeData-5.0.0d10.txt --Hello World! 09:37, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

It's not for Unicode 5.0, but rather for Unicode 5.1. Evertype 14:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Doesn't the article currently state that it's "always lowercase"? I'm confused as to whether an uppercase version "really" exists or if one was just made up out of whole cloth for the purposes of the Unicode proposal. --tiny plastic Grey Knight 08:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

First paragraph[edit]

In my opinion, the private use character should not be included after "Rotunda r", in the parenthesis. It is defined by MUFI to be there, true, but being PUA-character, this cannot be assumed when not within the MUFI framework. As there are already images showing the form, I propose removing the PUA character from the text. Let's add the proper Unicode character once Unicode 5.1 comes out. Szabi 10:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I've modified {{mufi}} on general principles, based on a conversation on its talk page; it now includes a note that the character "may not display properly". We can use "What links here" from that template later to find all articles that need so updated when the characters exist properly. --tiny plastic Grey Knight 08:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I see you've got the Unicode version in now, hurrah! I changed an instance of the MUFI version on Tironian notes‎ as well. We're leaving in the one in section "Demise of the r rotunda", right? It makes sense to have the MUFI one there, since that's what's being talked about. --tiny plastic Grey Knight 08:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

"Leeds Uni" font[edit]

referenced in the example image. The Leeds Uni link isn't helpful, as it merely redirects to University of Leeds, rather than anything directly related to the font. An actual reference to the font would be much more helpful: can anyone please supply one? Kay Dekker (talk) 21:59, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

One sign for rc.?[edit]

I was wondering if there is a Unicode rc. combined into one single character, Et cetera r rotunda.svg i.e. Tironean et with point in one? — Fritz Jörn (talk) 03:49, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

No, and there is no need for such a code point, as the sequence ⁊c. can be represented without problems by U+204A tironian et + "c" + "." (using a Fraktur (blackletter) font where the Tironian et correctly has a r-rotunda-like glyph). -- Karl432 (talk) 17:52, 24 April 2016 (UTC)