Talk:Moons of Saturn

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Notability of some of the 63 new moons

These are the notable moons I found on 1 website (Tilmann's Web Site):

S/2019 S 6 --> ~~Once part of the Gallic group (MPEC)~~ Siarnaq fragment along with S/2020 S 5
S/2006 S 9 --> Possibly a Phoebe fragment like S/2006 S 20
S/2005 S 5 --> 100^th irregular moon of Saturn
S/2004 S 52, S/2019 S 21 and S/2020 S 9 --> Largest average distance along with S/2004 S 26
S/2020 S 4 --> Possibly the smallest irregular moon
S/2005 S 4 and S/2020 S 1 --> Kiviuq/Ijiraq fragment
S/2004 S 43 --> 100^th moon of Saturn by count at that time it was announced
S/2004 S 46 and S/2019 S 2 --> Their inclinations makes the orbital planet at close no tilt against the ecliptic plane
S/2006 S 18, S/2007 S 5, S/2019 S 14 and S/2020 S 3 --> Their orbits are almost circular compared to the rest of the irregular moons
S/2006 S 19, S/2019 S 11 and S/2020 S 7 --> They lead among the furthest moons of Saturn due to high eccentricity
S/2019 S 13 --> The least titled moon against the ecliptic plane
S/2019 S 18 and S/2019 S 19 --> Their inclinations are similar to Bestla/Narvi
S/2006 S 14 --> The least eccentric irregular moon

Ladesh88 (talk) 07:53, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

S/2019 S 6 was just wrongly linked at first; the orbit is not really unusual. Most of the others will probably be surpassed in future. Double sharp (talk) 07:52, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

S/2020 S 4

I have a question. Is S/2020 S 4 Inuit or Gallic? According to this website: [1], it is apparently an Inuit group member. So, should it consider be Inuit or Gallic? It may be even an outlier prograde moon. FilipinoGuy0995 (talk) 04:06, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FilipinoGuy0995: It looks like Tilmann Denk is judging S/2020 S 4's orbital grouping based on its osculating orbital elements from the MPEC link, which says the moon had an inclination of 43.4 degrees at the time of 25 February 2023. It is incorrect to classify a moon's orbital grouping based on its osculating orbital elements (defined at a single instant in time) instead of mean orbital elements (averaged over many years), since an irregular moon's orbit changes significantly over time due to gravitational perturbations by other planets. Because of this, S/2020 S 4 can sometimes reach high inclinations up to 45 degrees, or low inclinations down to 36 degrees. JPL's mean orbital elements page says that the average orbital inclination of S/2020 S 4 is 40.1 degrees over a timespan 5,000 years—that puts it on the high end of the Gallic group inclination range.

As far as I know, JPL is the only reputable source that provides mean orbital elements for all planetary irregular moons. Do not use classifications based on osculating orbital elements like those from Tilmann Denk and Scott Sheppard's websites, since they are inaccurate. This article already mentions this fact; I strongly encourage you to read the disclaimer about osculating/mean orbital elements in the Moons of Saturn#Confirmed section. Nrco0e (talk) 05:09, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you've added Tilmann Denk's claim of S/2019 S 6 being an Inuit/Siarnaq group member in its article. Unfortunately, this is inaccurate because of the osculating orbital elements problem I've described above. Nrco0e (talk) 05:15, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Independent articles

So, I've been waiting for so long on when will the rest of newly announced Saturnian moons having their own articles according on this AfD page that I saw. I just want to know when, not by reverting it back. FilipinoGuy0995 (talk) 10:15, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe about a few months or a year, that's my guess 124.104.194.56 (talk) 21:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why planet satellite called Moon?

why all stars called Sun?

why all star systems called Sun system?

why all planets called Earth?

why all satellite of planet satellite called Moon of Moon?

why all these not important, but some Pluto planetoid have huge discussion? 212.164.38.71 (talk) 03:36, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]