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Christopher Walken FLRC[edit]

I have nominated Christopher Walken filmography for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:08, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Potential concerns with a list article[edit]

Hi. I have just blocked a user for adding content without sources; because of this, I do not feel like I should engage on content with him. However, noting that higher on the page he had been warned about adding sources that don't actually support the content he's placing, I took a glance at a few of the sources used in List of awards and nominations received by Beyoncé and while the sources I looked at do support the content, I'm really unsure about the content. For instance, it is sourced that Beyonce is "Bing's Most-Searched Celebrity", but is this really an award or nomination? It wasn't really a competition, was it? Similarly, Guinness Book of World's Records evidently names her and her husband as a power couple; is that an award? The article is littered with such information. While this may be standard for such articles, I'm unsure due to my lack of involvement in the area, and, again, since I blocked the editor I do not feel I can become involved. I wanted to make a note in case there is an issue with bloat and somebody wanted to take a look. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:34, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Adding content without sources is something you block people for?? Why not just remove the content or put a "citation needed" tag on it, if you think it's dubious? W. P. Uzer (talk) 10:51, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes, indeed it is. Continuing to add content without sources after being told of the need for sources is disruptive; see WP:DISRUPTSIGNS. I'll add that this particular editor has received multiple warnings that sources are needed including two final warnings that if he persisted in adding unsourced content or citing sources that do not support content he would be blocked. The block is a temporary one, but such blocks are generally lengthened if problems persist after the block. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:08, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Maybe you're right in this case, but most of us, if we have disagreements with other editors about content, are told we have to discuss it with them and reach consensus. Seems the rules are different for administrators. Of course, if the editor's blocked, then we can't even ask him what sources he has for his additions (who knows, he may actually have some this time). I agree with you about the bloat, however; a list of awards and nominations should be restricted to those things. W. P. Uzer (talk) 12:23, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm not involved with this editor on content issues, and I brought this here because I think that's a line I need to keep to. :) I will not modify the article - although I did revert vandalism from one article where he inflated a sales figure to 118 million even though the source he cited to support this said (in clear text, not even potentially confusing numbers) 15 million. You can, however, ask away - his block is temporary, and his talk page is not blocked. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:26, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I should add, you have to work to reach consensus with people on good faith content disputes. If you find people vandalizing content, you can treat them according to Wikipedia:Vandalism and, if necessary, request blocking at WP:AIV. If they are blatantly and obviously violating core content policies, even if not technically vandalizing, you can ask for assistance at WP:ANI. The rules are not different for administrators; the tools are. Administrators are as constrained by policy as anyone else. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:28, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

I would like to know what a "solo" means to the list maker who names best guitar solo as 2 people. I have always thought a "solo" was a piece by 1 person and a "duet" was 2, so therefore the guitar corroboration of 2 people should be removed from guitar "solo" and noted that it is a "duet". I am not trying to discredit their efforts, but applying a proper label to it. Chunyin 13 March 2015

Woody Allen filmography FLRC[edit]

I have nominated Woody Allen filmography for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:55, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Content dispute on Spanish profanity[edit]

Greetings. There is an ongoing content dispute at Spanish profanity regarding the removal of unsourced entries. At the moment, there are very few editors involved, so assessing consensus is difficult. While this article is not tagged as being in your project's scope, it is essentially a list of Spanish words, so it is probably relevant. Your thoughts on the matter would be much appreciated. 0x0077BE (talk · contrib) 13:54, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

see also sections are not mini-outlines of the article[edit]

With regard to the guideline that "the 'See also' section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body or its navigation boxes", let me point to this discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Outlines#outline sections (not articles). Thanks. Fgnievinski (talk) 04:19, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Lists of people - notability for each subject?[edit]

(Note: I posted this at the Manual of Style/Lists by accident.) I've tried reading archived discussions about redlinks in lists and notability requirements for list items, but I am still at a loss for how it applies to lists of real people. I have seen many "lists of" for musicians, groups, and singers from certain genres or geographic locales. Of those I've examined, they include almost entirely subjects which are notable, i.e. have or may soon have articles on Wikipedia. Additionally, they include either just each subject's name, or perhaps include active years and/or a short explanation of who they are. The following series of lists (List of South Korean idol groups (2010s), List of South Korean idol groups (2000s), List of South Korean idol groups (1990s)) attempts to include ALL "idol groups" that have ever existed within South Korea, including those for which notability does not and will not likely ever exist. The list also includes an extraordinary amount of extra information on each subject, all of which is already included in the notable subjects' articles. We've attempted to have discussions about these lists, but editors seem to be divided into two camps: the "keep everything because kpop fans like it" and "make these lists like other wikipedia lists" camps. I think it's hard for us to see these lists in the wider scope of Wikipedia because, like any fandom, kpop fans tend to be insular and very passionate. I've tried to do my research, but I'd really like other eyes to look at these lists and give some guidance about the appropriateness of their length and inclusiveness. *note: I know sourcing is an issue at the moment, so no need to bring that up right now. Thank you - I just want to get better ideas of Wikipedia standards so some of these arguments can stop. Actually, the list of possibly-overly-inclusive lists is an issue for many, many kpop articles, but I'll start with just this set of lists.  :) Shinyang-i (talk) 04:57, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Shinyang, I'll try to help you out. Lists need information. It is the rare list of mathematical equations or the like that is just a list of names. There are also navigational lists that may just have names, but these lists of pop groups are most definitely not a navigational list. An easy way to cater to both sides would be to create a category that would be just names and easily navigable. The tabulated versions of the lists (recently deleted) look great to me and not overly informative. I think it would be a shame to lose them. The guidelines at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Stand-alone lists clearly call for prose (text) explaining why each entry is a member of the list. Simply listing them does not accomplish that. It's nice to add a little depth, and like I said, I think the tabulated version of these lists does that nicely. As for notability, WP:LISTPEOPLE clearly states that lists of people need to be lists of WP:Notable people. With each entry requiring its own citation that verifies not only their notability, but their connection to the list. There are rare exceptions, but this doesn't even come close. Also, the editor who just did the page wipe of all but the names is definitely in the wrong. They're trying to turn a list into a category. Just go create the category. WP:Lists are WP:articles in every way and require content just like an article. I hope this helps. Feel free to ask me for more help. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 07:08, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

List of circulating currencies[edit]

The list of circulating currencies now sorts properly when sorted by name of currency. Previously, e.g., "Thai baht" sorted under T; now it sorts under B. See the Talk page there under Sorting the table by "Currency".

If you would like to discuss this with me, please {{Ping}} me. Thnidu (talk) 07:24, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live![edit]

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Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

automated list building[edit]


This is about lists. And it's always an exhausting job that to create and update them. Couldn't this be done by a sql query ?

I think a lot of lists would gain making this transition.

If you want to read more about it I suggest you the PhD thesis of Christopher DAVIS.

--RP87 (talk) 21:43, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

There are lots of bots around Wikipedia. And yes, some lists could be created by sql query bot. But generally they are compiled from discordant information from various web citations which does not make for easily programmable search queries. However, if you have a specific set of lists in mind that you think could be created in this manner, feel free to bring it up here. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 06:45, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of songs recorded by Ariana Grande/archive1[edit]

For anyone who's interested? Thanks.  — ₳aron 12:24, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Lists with only one item[edit]

Is a list with only one item acceptable on Wikipedia? See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of massacres in Jamaica -Arb. (talk) 15:33, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

No. Best to redirect to a list of items of similar content. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 06:40, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
If it was an isolated list I'd agree with you and likewise advocate redirect. However, lists that are part of a series seem like a special case. Think of it from a reader's point of view. Suppose a reader is working through the {{Massacres}} navbox (go view it anyone who hasn't) looking at various entries; after two or three their expectation is that each will take them to a List of ... article. So what are the possibilities with a list of one:
  • Delete; they see a red link in the Navbox.
  • Redirect; they are taken to an article. And have to pause from the task in hand to wonder why. If they are experienced in Wikipedia they may eventually figure it out but they may not. In user Interface design jargon we've "confounded their expectations"; something to be avoided where possible.[1]
  • Keep; they are taken to a list of one item. They can immediately see that Wikipedia only has one Massacre article for that country and continue with whatever it is they are doing without a diversion into meta-think or puzzlement.
-Arb. (talk) 18:16, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
  1. ^ Krug, Steve (2005-08-18). Don't Make Me Think: A Common Sense Approach to Web Usability (Second ed.). New Riders. ISBN 978-0321344755. 

Then just add this massacre to the list and eliminate the problem. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 03:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)