Talk:Charsk

Rename discussion 2014

Please, will change name of article. Because, official name of city is Shar. This is official site of administration:http://www.akimvko.gov.kz/kz/rule/akimat-vostochno-kazaxstanskoj-oblasti/akimatyi-gorodov-i-rajonov/apparat-akima-zharminskogo-rajona.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alibek2030 (talk • contribs) 19:41, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

The official name of the city is in Kazakh and in Cyrillic. The city administration does not have an authority to establish the English name of the town.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:46, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Charsk it is translation from Russian language. In kazakh language don't use -sk suffix. I think, when name of city translate from other language to english we have to use Kazakh name of toponym. For example, Omsk (Russian) - Omby (Kazakh). But we don't translate to english Omby. Alibek2030 (talk) 07:09, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Not really. We are using the name the town is best known in Englsh, which may be Russian, Kazakh, or anything else. See Talk:Karaganda for an extensive discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:08, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

This town located in Kazakhstan, and I think that, name of this town must be in Kazakh language, not in Russian. And Alibek2030 correctly noted that in kazakh language don't use -sk suffix. Please, change the title of the article io the official name, that is Shar.--Amankel'dy (talk) 14:53, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Your argument would be valid in the Kazakh Wikipedia. In the English Wikipedia, the official name in Kazakh is irrelevant.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:40, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

@Ymblanter: this is not argument. --Arystanbek (talk) 16:48, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

It is though. May be you should read our policies.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:09, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ymblanter: give me the link policies about this topic or toponim --Arystanbek (talk) 17:22, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

WP:PLACE--Ymblanter (talk) 17:32, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Shar or Charsk

I stumbled upon this by finding a previously undocumented river. A Google Books search limited to results from the 21st century for "charsk kazakhstan" and for "shar kazakhstan" both bring up a reasonable smattering of results. The data in Ethnic demography of Kazakhstan shows the encompassing Zharma district to be 90%+ Kazakh, so this is a bit odd. What's the benefit for the average English reader if we stick to the old Soviet / Russian spelling here? --Joy (talk) 11:09, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

I noticed also that the linked bigger cities from this region all use Kazakh names. Oskemen has been at the Kazakh name since 2004, even if a 2018 comment noted the continued use of the Russian name. There's a similar comment on talk for Semey in 2010, while it's been there since 2004 as well. Ayagoz is in place since 2006 without comments. --Joy (talk) 11:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

I think Karaganda is the only one where there was a RfC, and it was kept. But it was a long time ago, I do not remember anything. Ymblanter (talk) 11:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Yep, Talk:Karaganda has a series of discussions, some marred by abuse as well.

Also checked the history of Shymkent and it's been like that since 2005, no comments. Aktobe likewise since 2004. Astana is perhaps different as it was renamed multiple times anyway, and Almaty is like that since 2002, though with a bit of acrimony on the talk page and some forking edit wars in 2006. --Joy (talk) 14:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)