Talk:Siege of Tarnovo

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Ottoman Commander

Could we add the full name please: Süleyman Çelebi

According to legend ?!?!

The source of the facts arround the paralysis of the executioner's hand is not according to legend, but according to a document written by Gregory Tsamblak, a contemporary (and probably a witness)of the events.It is what we call a primary historical source. There hagiographies of st. Evtimiy of Tarnovo are another secondary source describing these events Consider correcting the wording. Also the facts need to be more crisply narrated throughout the entire article.

Surrender of the city, a breach or a treason

There is no primary source in existence that claims that the city was surrendered. Furthermore there is a suggestion in the the description of the fall of Tarnovo by Gregory Tsamblak that something unexpected happened and thus when the Süleyman Çelebi was almost desperate he received "an unexpected gift" that helped him get the city. The suggestion for a treason is obvious. Now there is a secondary source that stands in support of that. It is a local legend about the treason from one of the non-christian communities inhabiting the city, as well as a site defined in the legend as the grave of the traitor. This story however is often skipped or deliberately removed from the narration of the events as the legend and the grave site are associated with the Jewish community of the city of Tarnovo. Unfortunately for the legend, its contemporary political incorrectness left it neglected eventhough much more important historical conclusions were drawn by other stories passed mouth to mouth throughout the centuries. The important facts though is that we have one primary historical source plus the legend that point out to a treason and once again, absolutely NO sources that describe a surrender. Should we consider having the different versions of the interpretations of our sources displayed in a logical order then... plus the addition of the sources for the facts.

Strengths

How many men defended Tarnovo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.234.30.217 (talk) 05:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC) --Ardacher (talk) 06:14, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]