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Reviewer: Khazar2 (talk · contribs) 02:15, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Miyagawa, I'll be glad to take this one, too. Comments to follow in the next 1-5 days. -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:15, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, once this review is completed I'll roll the changes out to the season 3 article which is newer but still needs the formatting of the episodes to be sorted out. (And it'll probably cause me to keep up with the TNG seasons as they get released on Blu Ray as it usually means that the official ST site puts out some additional features specific to that season. Miyagawa (talk) 12:47, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a few initial comments; I haven't made it any further than the lead yet. More this afternoon, hopefully. -- Khazar2 (talk) 16:58, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • "his lawyer" -- slightly ambiguous--is this Roddenberry's lawyer?
  • "the show rose throughout " --this discussion of the rise and fall of the ratings is hard to follow. How did it peak with Measure of a Man in the middle of the season if the ratings rose steadily throughout the season?

Okay, great. Here's some more for you. I've made some changes as I went (please doublecheck). In a few places I've had trouble untangling the prose, and made notes below asking for clarification. Let me know your thoughts, and thanks again for your work on this one. -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:38, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Hurley had objected to the scenes seen in the first season episode "Conspiracy" -- "the scenes" makes it sound like we should be aware of specific scenes. Is it possible to elaborate slightly here? -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:38, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've elaborated. To be honest, they were both quite possessive of their intellectual properties. Hurley created the Borg, Torme created Dixon Hill. The Borg were originally insects, and Conspiracy was a precursor to their appearance - so I imagine that when Torme re-wrote Conspiracy and added those scenes with the chest exploding at the end it resulted in Hurley getting quite pissed off. Then he kept massively re-writing Torme's work, first with "The Royale" and then with "Manhunt" - which was the final straw as it was Dixon Hill. I have to get around to writing Hurley's article but I'm slightly daunted by the prospect of keeping it a balanced BIO article due to the volume of issues he seemed to create in early TNG. Miyagawa (talk) 11:04, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • ", something credited to her interactions with Hurley" -- the passive voice here is a little confusing.
  • " Roddenberry gave him his notes, he" -- pronouns seem to be getting very confused here. Is the "him" Wright, "his" Roddeberry, and "he" Wright again?
  • "However, even in the official autobiography of Gene Roddenberry, David M. Alexander refers to Maizlish as "Roddenberry’s dark presence".[1]" -- I'd suggest cutting this sentence. First of all, this bit doesn't seem to be in the autobiography, but was said in conversation by the biographer. (Also, "autobiography" is written by the subject himself; if Alexander wrote it, it's just a biography.) Second, I'm not quite sure it belongs. it's a bit of a side note even in the Salon article, put in parentheticals, and doesn't flow logically here; Alexander's comment doesn't really contradict Over's story. What would you say to cutting it? The Gerrold quotation alone seems enough to establish that Maizlish was probably a horrifically bad person.
  • "Modifications were made to the bridge set resign various elements " -- I'm not clear what "resign" means here--is this a garbled form of "redesign"?
  • "so that La Forge, in his new role as Chief Engineer" -- this is the first time Geordi's been mentioned in the article, so you should presumably give full name and actor name (also to make it clear the person changing roles is the character, not the actor)
  • "She had also appeared in a pilot for a Roddenberry-led pilot" -- should the second pilot be "series"?
  • "She said that "People have tried to create" -- is the she here Muldaur, I'm assuming?
  • "as they felt that a movie star such as Goldberg would want to appear in Star Trek'" -- should this be "would not want to appear?
  • "and ignored the calls from her agent, until she called them personally" -- this confuses me a bit. So did she have Levar speak to them, or call them herself? This seems like two versions, but I may just not be understanding how they connect.
  • I've made a couple of copy edits to clarify - I think the initial approach was via Burton. Then there seems to have been a bit of a mix up with the producers simply not taking Goldberg's agent's calls because they may not have believed it was really Goldberg's agent. Miyagawa (talk) 10:57, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "to gain a recurring role from season three" -- should this be "season two"? I'm confused by the phrase.
  • Yep, should be "timeslot" (no "s" - as with the mention in the lead). The series was syndicated, but with a set timeslot - some affiliates pre-empted their normal programming to show it, which they wouldn't have needed to do if they could have broadcast it at any time. Miyagawa (talk) 10:57, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "These were the only Emmys won by the series for season two, having been nominated for eight awards. " -- this phrasing is a bit confusing. Was it nominated for three or eight awards? Or was it nominated eight times in three categories? If the latter, maybe that could be clearer up front.
  • Not an action point, but it's pretty hilarious that they included a Reading Rainbow segment on the Blu-ray. When I was five, Reading Rainbow was just about my favorite thing in the world. -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:11, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sources and comprehensiveness look good, and the article is stable; I'll do checks for accuracy and plagiarism once the above points are addressed. Thanks again, -- Khazar2 (talk) 14:11, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • One query - when I did the season three article I cited the home media release template (the details/features and then the release dates individually). I've realised that I haven't done that here - should I, or are the features inherently cited by being physically on the release (much in the same way that a plot is inherently cited by the television episode). I guess the answer could be - if in doubt, cite it, but I just wanted to check before I did. Miyagawa (talk) 10:57, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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