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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 08:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]


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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
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I am going to review this, though may get confused at parts since I'm used to taking on traditional song articles. --K. Peake 08:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. I guess it's traditional in most senses, though with spoken sections it's a little unusual. Happy to help in any way I can. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Your welcome and if I have not understood anything properly below, don't feel afraid to make me aware... good luck! --K. Peake 11:45, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

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  • Img looks good!
    • Thanks!
  • Remove comma after the bracketed title
    • Done.
  • The best-known and best-loved part should be in a different sentence from the first one
    • Edited.
  • "It combines spoken" → "The composition combines spoken"
    • Edited.
  • "and song (in Swedish)." → "and a song (in Swedish)."
    • Edited.
  • Mention the narrator and lyrical content for appropriate detail in lead
    • Added.
  • "of its capital city," → "of the country's capital city,"
    • Done.
  • If any of the covers are notable, mention them here too
    • Added.

Context

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  • Retitle to Background
    • Done.
  • "overlaid on map" → "overlaid on the map" on the img text
    • Done.
  • Pipe Swedish song tradition to Scandinavian ballad tradition
    • Done.
  • [1] should be solely at the end of the sentence
    • Moved.
  • The cittern instrument is not sourced
    • It was, but added another.
  • Wikilink pastorales
    • Done.
  • "during the eighteenth century." → "during the 17th century." per MOS:NUM and because you mentioned years in the 1700s before
    • That would simply be misleading, the 17th century began in 1600. I've said "in Bellman's time.
  • Well I've replaced it anyway.
  • Pipe Bacchus to Dionysus
    • Done.
  • "sport in Stockholm's" → "play in Stockholm's" to be more encyclopaedic
    • Done.
  • Most of the juxtaposition sentence does not appear to be sourced and humorous is not neutral language
    • It's reliably sourced, and one of the most salient facts about Bellman's work.
  • Thanks.

Epistle

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Spoken sections

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  • Wikilink motley
    • Done.
  • "old town, Gamla Stan," → "old town Gamla stan,"
    • Done.
  • Start a new sentence at "They are speaking"
    • Done.
  • Pipe dancing bear to Tame bear
    • Done.
  • "to defecate; people are" → "to defecate, people are"
    • Done.
  • Pipe trumps to Trump (card games)
    • Done.

Music and verse form

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  • Add actual text on the audio sample because it needs this to comply with WP:NFCCP
    • Added.
  • Pipe rhythming pattern to Rhyme scheme
    • Done.
  • "a musician, and one" → "a musician and one"
    • Comma is correct.
  • Pipe key to Key (music)
    • Done.
  • Shouldn't "among the epistles call" use "are" before it?
    • The grammar is "only [these two] call for...".
  • ""Regardez ces traits" from" → ""Regardez ces traits" on"
    • Said "in".
  • Img looks good!
    • Thanks!

Lyrics

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  • "ships, flags and" → "ships, flags, and"
    • Done.
  • "drinking and song," → "drinking and a song,"
    • No, song as a quantity, an element of the scene, not as a single item.
  • Wikilink stanza
    • Done.
  • Why is no source provided for the para?
    • Done.
  • Hendrik Willem Van Loon → Hendrik Willem van Loon
    • Done.
  • Shouldn't Cadiz be written as Cádiz instead?
    • Done. Actually it's debatable as Bellman wrote Cadix in Swedish.
  • Pipe Spaniard to Merchant ship
    • Done.

Reception

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  • Retitle to Reception and legacy
    • Done, but "and" in a heading is a retrograde step really.
  • Remove wikilink on Stockholm for the img
    • Done.
  • "no. 65, "So I look out at the shore", which includes the lines" → "no. 65 "So I look out at the shore", which includes the lyrics:"
    • Done.
  • "dramatic technique, the ability" → "dramatic technique; the ability" if this ability is the technique
    • The ability is the technique, but the semicolon doesn't work as it must introduce a clause with an active verb.
  • I'm perfectly happy to use a colon in such a context, but a hundred gnomish editors "know" otherwise. If you want to use your "minor edits" rights as reviewer to change it I won't object.
  • Wikilink the gospel
    • Well we could, but it's "the gospel of brandy-drinking" so perhaps the link would be a bit of an Easter Egg!
  • "but just one of" → "but merely one of"
    • Done.
  • "all Stockholm depicters."" → "all Stockholm depicters"." per MOS:QUOTE and this is one sentence, so merge with the above para which it has relevancy to
    • Done.
  • "Soundscape, it suggests, turns" → "According to the society, the soundscape turns"
    • It's better as it is.
  • Merge the Haga-Brunnsviken Nytt sentence with the above para per short length
    • Done.
  • The last performance shows notability per the costume, but actual info is needed for the others to meet WP:SONGCOVER
    • Fixed, adding description.
  • Merge the tour company para with the above one, as both are about legacy
    • Done.

Notes

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  • Good
    • Noted.

References

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  • Copyvio score looks dangerously high at 67.9%; cut down quoting from the section to help resolve this
    • Well, looking at the supposed copyvio, there are two things to say. Firstly, the text is long out of copyright; the only material copied is Bellman's own, along with a short bit of Van Loon's translation; he died in 1944, so he too is out of copyright. Secondly, we need to give the reader a small sample of both prose and verse, and in both cases that would easily pass the fair usage test, even if we needed to apply it which we don't.
  • Fine, thank you for explaining the lack of copyright breaking.
  • Make sure all of these are archived by using the tool
    • This isn't a GA requirement; and most of the sources are books. I've archived Ankarkrona and Bergström just in case.
  • I think we're ok now, pretty much everything is either a book with "hardcopy" available, or archived.

--K. Peake 21:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

    • Done.
  • Ref 8 is a duplicate of ref 1
    • Merged.
  • Add language parameter for ref 9
    • Done.
  • Shouldn't you cite a source for ref 15 per Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source?
    • No, this is the primary text, which WikiSource happens to have copied. It is in no way citing the encyclopedia. The text is of course available in many other places.
  • Pipe Royal Swedish Library to National Library of Sweden on ref 17 and add the language parameter
    • Done.
  • The Bellman Society → Bellman Society on ref 18 and add the language parameter
    • Done.
  • Cite last name followed by first name on ref 20 and author-link Evert Taube
    • Done.
  • Use sfn for refs 21 and 22 to lead to the appropriate source, plus write p. instead of page for consistency
    • Done.
  • I can't see the original uploader because ref 23 is dead but if this was not from an official account, then remove or replace
    • Gone.
  • Remove or replace ref 24 per WP:RSPYT
    • Gone.
  • Remove or replace ref 25 since my laptop's security gives a firm warning that the site is dangerous
    • Done, this is a new and probably temporary thing, probably the site has been infected as it's a reputable company of many years' standing (no issue when I added it back in 2016).

Sources

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  • Mention the name of the website the text is at
    • Done.

Final comments and verdict

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