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Reviewer: Lizzy150 (talk · contribs) 21:13, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Bobbychan193:

I have started an initial review of this article! Here are my comments so far:

Lead
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  • "he is also the most decorated Chinese swimmer in history." — I think you should remove this line because it sounds like puffery (see MOS: Words to watch. I know it states that he is "decorated" in the source but let's just give only the facts
  • In the second paragraph, you have used "At the.." 6 times. Please start the sentence with something else
  • "then-stimulant" — you should rephrase it as "which was classified as a stimulant at the time by WADA" rather than using "then"
  • "China's Anti-Doping Agency deputy director Zhao Jia subsequently commented: "Sun proved.." — I don't think you need this quote in the lead. It is already mentioned later. Just summarise the fact: "He was banned for three months"
Early life
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Career
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More comments later, but it's good so far. Nothing major. Thanks, Lizzy (talk 21:13, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Lizzy150: Thanks for taking the time to review! I’ll try to work through your comments within the next few days. Bobbychan193 (talk) 22:26, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Lizzy150: I've resolved all of your comments. I've been making additional edits and improvements to the article, including some expansions to underdeveloped/unwritten parts of the Career section. Feel free to review these changes, and take your time with the rest of the review. Bobbychan193 (talk) 06:37, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Bobbychan193:, thanks for addressing my comments. My advice - if you can't find an exact source that says "He is the most successful", then don't add it. It might be better to say "He is considered to be the most successful.." with the sources at the end. For the "medal contender" claim, I have removed the word "medal" because he is definitely a contender, but may not necessarily be a medal winner! I have read half of the article again and made some small changes for you. Let me know if you're okay with them.

A few comments:

Thanks, Lizzy (talk 22:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Working through. Thanks for the comments. Bobbychan193 (talk) 03:45, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Lizzy150: For the "Major achievements" section, should I convert it to a table format? Bobbychan193 (talk) 05:04, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Bobbychan193: It is optional if you want to use a table or not. If you think it looks better in a table, then you can, but it's not necessary. Also, try not to use the same quotes twice; you've got "NBC Sports described him as "arguably the greatest freestyle swimmer of all time" in the lead and achievements sections. In your career headers, try to put the date first (2013 — Continued success, 2015 — Worldwide Championships etc). Move the Awards, Achievements and Personal bests to the bottom (just after Personal life). Thanks, Lizzy (talk 20:23, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Lizzy150: Got it. Deleted the extra quote, and renamed the subheaders. However, I don't agree about moving those sections after Personal life. I think it's better to consecutively organize all career-related information. See the featured article Ian Thorpe. Bobbychan193 (talk) 21:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find any sources for his achievements from 2006 and 2007, so I'll probably be deleting them. Those entries seem like national tournaments anyway, so they aren't as noteworthy as the rest of his international achievements. Bobbychan193 (talk) 22:07, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Lizzy150: Finally finished the table. Let me know if there's anything else to do. Bobbychan193 (talk) 02:16, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Bobbychan193: Okay great, that's fine. Here's a few (last) more things, I promise!:

  • In the "2013: Continued success" section, the last paragraph is about Sun driving without a licence and his apology. Could we perhaps merge this to the "Personal life" section as it is mentioned there too. I don't think it needs to be mentioned in 2 places.
  • This sentence: "WADA, which has a right of appeal if it perceives a sanction to be too light, elected not to proceed further after reviewing the case file." — has been copy and pasted from the article at source 43 (The Sydney Morning Herald). Please don't copy from sources directly, see: Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources. I have rephrased this sentence for you.
  • In the "2019–present: World Championships" section, the two paragraphs mention the incident about Mack Horton refusing to share the podium with Sun. Does it need to be mentioned in both paragraphs if it's the same incident?
  • In the "2018 testing incident", the second paragraph also has sentences very similar to source 82 (ABC News). Please avoid copying the article, and put it in your own words instead. If you take a sentence from a source, please put it in quote marks. Example below:
    • "fully transparent to clear his name" – this part should be in quote marks because this phrase is from source 102 (Swim Swam). I have done this for you. Any direct quotes from sources must have quote marks.
  • The Awards table is great. Could we try moving that image of Sun with a gold medal somewhere else? We should allow the table to fully expand to the right.
  • Is it necessary to state "(long course)" in the "Personal bests" header? You could just mention "long course" in the table instead.
  • These references don't have website titles: 44, 62, 65, 66, 67, 90, 91, 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130. This doesn't stop it from being a Good Article, but it's usually good practice to mention them.
  • Reference 130 doesn't work for me. Has the article been deleted?
    • Unfortunately it seems so. It also isn't archived. Judging from the title, the article is about Sun playing basketball, which we fortunately already have another source for. I've deleted the dead reference. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:45, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have also made some minor edits to the rest of the article. Thanks, Lizzy (talk 19:28, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Lizzy150: I think that's everything. Thanks for the detailed review! Bobbychan193 (talk) 01:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Bobbychan193:. Apologies — I know the article wasn't written all by you. I was meant to point out the issues to all the editors in general. Anyway, I have just finished reading the article and it looks much better. I've made some edits too, such as using "1st" instead of "first", if he came in that position in a race. This was to keep it consistent throughout the article. I've also trimmed some of the sentences down and replaced words that may introduce bias (eg. "claimed", "noted", "although") — Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Words to watch. Overall, the article is mostly well-written, neutral, stable, verifiable and illustrated with images. Thanks for improving this article, I hope you keep up the quality! I'm now passing this as a GA. Lizzy (talk 22:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.