Talk:That Bloody Woman

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Did you know... that Greg Cooper based the character of suffragist Kate Sheppard in punk-rock musical That Bloody Woman on Bette Midler in concert in Cleveland?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 14:31, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Greg Cooper based the character of suffragist Kate Sheppard in punk-rock musical That Bloody Woman on Bette Midler in concert in Cleveland? Source: "GC: I was talking to my partner, Sarah. I said I want Kate to be sexy and sassy and in control. Sarah said, 'a bit like Bette Midler'. And I said, 'My God, yes, exactly like Bette Midler'. We went on YouTube and found this incredible concert she did in 1977 in Cleveland." (Source Stuff newspaper article on writing of the musical)
- ALT1:... that when Luke Di Somma approached Gregory Cooper to co-write That Bloody Woman, Cooper had to Google the term "librettist"? Source: "I emailed him and said I know we have only met once, but I have this idea and I think I might need a librettist. He wrote back and said I have Googled librettist and I think I can do it, let's talk." (Source Stuff newspaper article on writing of the musical)
- ALT2: ... that Bette Midler's 1977 Cleveland performance inspired Greg Cooper's characterization of suffragist Kate Sheppard in punk-rock musical That Bloody Woman? Source: "GC: I was talking to my partner, Sarah. I said I want Kate to be sexy and sassy and in control. Sarah said, 'a bit like Bette Midler'. And I said, 'My God, yes, exactly like Bette Midler'. We went on YouTube and found this incredible concert she did in 1977 in Cleveland." (Source Stuff newspaper article on writing of the musical)

Reviewed: Robert Louis Stephenson Museum
Comment: Am trying to source photo.

Created by DrThneed (talk). Self-nominated at 23:37, 22 May 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - see comment
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I just wanted to double-check that it's standard that a synopsis section has no reference. If someone could either confirm that's standard or add a reference to the synopsis, then I'm happy to approve. I would also recommend a minor edit to the main proposed hook, which is to say "a Bette Midler concert in Cleveland" rather than "Bette Midler in concert". QuakerSquirrel (talk) 14:51, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@QuakerSquirrel: thanks for the review. I asked the same question myself when I reviewed my first DYK on a film! You can see here, MOS:PLOT says "Because works of fiction are primary sources in their articles, basic descriptions of their plots are acceptable without reference to an outside source." I'm not too sure about your suggested change to the hook, though, Cooper didn't base the character on the concert (which is what your change would say) but on the person giving the concert. DrThneed (talk) 21:28, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@DrThneed: -- great, thanks for the link & info. Good point about the suggested edit being unclear. How about ALT2? It seems more accurate in that it refers to her performance. Thoughts? I don't want to drag anything on too long. Let me know whether it's OK to have ALT2 as a reasonable option. Either way, once I hear from you, I'll go ahead and approve. QuakerSquirrel (talk) 22:23, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@QuakerSquirrel: -- I'm happy enough with ALT2. It sort of feels backwards to me, but maybe having Midler up front will catch more interest. Thank you. DrThneed (talk) 22:35, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

with a slight personal preference for ALT2, but leaving it up to the promoter to decide based on the above conversation. Thanks for nominating this article, DrThneed! QuakerSquirrel (talk) 22:44, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]