Talk:The Duellists

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Replacing poster image

Sorry I don't see the point of Grandpafootsoldier uploading and affixing a new poster image when an adequate image already existed. Claiming "per WP films guidelines" doesn't just make it so, as an origin image already acquired and tagged under "fair use" was in place. Furthermore, the wear and age damages to the new image make it extra puzzling why it is persistently pushed. Murgh ^disc. 15:53, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines for what I'm referring to. The first image is not the original one-sheet for the film, and is additionally a foreign language version for an English film. Additionally, the first image is over 300px, and so is a bit larger than is usually allowed. For all of these reasons the second image is preferable. - Grandpafootsoldier 04:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For what you cite, I disagree with that kind of zealously myopic interpretation of the WP guidelines. An original release image was already in place, maybe a few, easily altered, pixels wider than norm, but of a smaller size than its replacement, but, mon dieu!, it isn't an English one? Please continue to think about what is constructive contribution to the WP project, and don't upload imagery unfit to use when doing null-work. If English media is mandatory, please supply something better than an eBay pic. Murgh ^disc. 16:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry dude, but you don't have an argument. First off, it isn't an "ebay pic", as you would clearly see if you even bothered to check out the image page in the first place. This is an English-language film, made in an English-speaking country. Anyone with half a brain would say that the preferred poster would be the original one from that country in its original language. By your logic I could say that we should replace the current poster for The Matrix with the Japanese one just because, "it looks better". Also, you have some chutzpah criticizing me for not having "constructive contribution to the WP project" in mind, when it is quite obvious the only reason you insist on keeping this image is for your own ego. Until you can come up with a valid reason, please refrain from reverting my edits. Thanks. -- Grandpafootsoldier 00:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

addition

there is a subtext to the story, d'Hubert is portrayed as an aristocrat, whereas Feraud is an ordinary citizen, who owes his career to the rise of Bonaparte. this duality (no pun intended) shows itself towards the denouement, when Feraud aids in Bonaparte's attempt to regain power, while d'Hubert refuses to take part in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.115.41.72 (talk) 22:16, 27 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Plot too many subsections

The plot has many subsections. This seems unusual and unnecessary. (See also WP:OVERSECTION)

An editor attempted to remove the subsections[1] but was reverted by [2] User:Da_Vynci who stated "see Full Metal Jacket or Barry Lyndon" but those articles do not have 6 subsections of plot. (The plot section for the film Barry Lyndon is divided in two.)

User:Da_Vynci also said "In fact WP:MOSFILM doesn't even prohibit plot sub-sections." but it does not require them either. The guidelines do clearly recommend that the Plot section be concise (400-700 words) and this over-elaborate construction with many subsections does not seem to be in keeping with that spirit. (I have seen some exceptions made for anthology films but this is not an anthology film.) -- 109.79.73.154 (talk) 01:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:Da_Vynci has even removed the long plot tag. [3] No changes have been made, the article still has an unusually and excessively long plot section. One editor thinks this article is exceptional, and chooses not to follow the recommended plot length guidelines. The diff I pointed to above and older versions of this article show that the plot section could be more concise and less weird. Editors interested in improving this article might find WP:STREAMLINE helpful. I choose to go and edit something else. -- 109.77.199.253 (talk) 02:54, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Since you don't have an account, I can't tell if the above comments was written by the same or different person, so I will just reply collectively.

Length: The word count of the current plot is 695, within WP:PLOTSUM's 400-700 words recommendation. On a side note, MOS:FILMPLOT does provide that the word count may be exceeded for complicated plots, this movie spans 15 years of the characters' life.

Subsection I will answer your question in two parts: A) If you wonder whether a plot may be presented with subsections, the answer should be yes. Some films are presented in chapters, as you mentioned Barry Lyndon has two, so the plots in article are presented as such. B) As to the number of the subsections, as per MOS:PLOTLENGTH the priority is to highlights the most important plot elements, and this film's chapters are distinctively named after the cities and the year where the story takes place, it gives a better sense of the time and place. Da Vynci (talk) 14:48, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removed anti-bonapartist description

Don't see reason for it, nothing in the movie suggests that D'Hubert is a anti bonapartist, just less zealist. For example still refers to him as Emperor after he is exiled and appears uncomfortable when the aristocrats called Napoleon an ogre. 119.18.1.119 (talk) 16:37, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]