Talk:Therapy Session

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"Christian rapper" changed to "rapper" in lede.

There is an ongoing problem with the lede containing "Christian rapper" on both Therapy Session and Mansion. It is important to keep consistency upon all articles while discussing the genre of any artist. NF is a rapper, and we can all agree upon that. Evidently, the term "Christian rapper" derives from merging "Christian" and "rapper", so it would not be incorrect to just refer to any christian rapper as a "rapper", especially when this artist is not referred as such on his main article or other articles. The thing with NF is that he made what was considered at the time Christian hip hop, and was even awarded on Christian music associations, despite the fact he never referred to these two projects as such. However, him releasing albums in the past that are considered by the public "Christian rap" shouldn't categorize him as a "Christian rapper", when above all things, he is just a rapper who makes secular rap music, and is virtually known by everyone as just a rapper (even himself). I personally don't see the necessity of highlighting the term "Christian rapper" on the lede when the genre in already on the Infobox, which gives information about the album itself, not the artist. Is the artist in mention considered a "Christian rapper"? That can be reflected on his main article and on literally every single article surrounding him besides the two I just mentioned. If Walter wants to make a credible point as to why he feels the need of holding endlessly and relentlessly to never remove the "Christian" from "Christian rapper" from the lede of these two articles, besides "He was considered at the time a christian rapper by news outlets and was awarded as a christian artist", then simply explain why we shouldn't just mention the genre of the album in the Infobox, and maintain consistency on all of this artist's article ledes? 148.103.217.14 (talk) 14:45, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is an ongoing problem in the lede where 148.103.217.14 keeps censoring "Christian" from it. At this point, he was a Christian rapper. He was signed to a Christian label. That was his shtick. The infobox is a summary of the article and content in it can and should be repeated in the article. The fact that you cannot capitalize the proper noun shows clear disdain for the concept. This is not the forum to try to determine if the term is valid or if the subject has subsequently distanced himself from the term. It is what it was at the time. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:04, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. The fact that you can't even spell "Christian" correctly makes the argument that you show disdain for its meaning. 148.103.217.14 (talk) 22:18, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How exactly was it his "shtick"? And which is the correct forum for us to discuss this? 148.103.217.14 (talk) 22:23, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Could you also explain why not use "Christian rapper" on every single other article surrounding this artist? Why do you actively enforce this only on Therapy Session and Mansion and refuse to discuss your reasons as to exactly why?User:Walter Görlitz 148.103.217.14 (talk) 22:32, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He was signed to a Christian label at the time of the two releases and he was quite comfortable with being a "Christian rapper" or "Christian hip hop artist" at the time. It was only as his fame grew that he either changed his mind or his management told him it might alienate a potential part of audience and that's when the change happened. Artists change over time and the reason they change is not germane to the discussion. All that is important is that is what his genre was at the time of the release of the albums. By the time that the two later albums came out, he had started speaking out about the label. It was agreed at those to releases to change (or possibly even on the artist's own article).

The typo was inadvertent. It's a holiday here and I was rushing trying to get out with the family and did not proofread the content. Thank you pointing that out. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:15, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]