Talk:U.S. Route 67 in Illinois

GA Review

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Reviewer: Bneu2013 (talk · contribs) 02:48, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

I will be reviewing this article, and have first comments soon. Bneu2013 (talk) 02:48, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

@Fredddie:, Update - I have posted my first comments. Bneu2013 (talk) 04:13, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

General comments

• Images are properly licensed.

• Passes the Earwig test.

Lead

• "western Illinois region" → "western region of the state".

• residents felt forgotten by Springfield and Washington. - change to "which has led some residents to feel forgotten..." or something like that. Also, does Springfield and Washington refer to the state and federal governments, respectively? Clarify this.

• In 1918, Illinois voters approved a 48-route state highway system, which included Route 3, which connected Morrison and Chester by way of the Quad Cities, Monmouth, Beardstown, Jacksonville, Alton, and East St. Louis. - run-on sentence.

• Clarify that Corridor 67 has advocated widening the highway, and not conducted widening projects themselves.

Route description

• it passes beneath IL 3 and IL 111, but there is no direct connection between the two roadways. - does this mean that US 67 has no connection to either of these roadways?
  • Yes. Would adding "here" help? https://goo.gl/maps/XUtrBcbzqogKpAQz7 If you have a better way to describe it, I'm all for it. –Fredddie™
    • Adding "here" wouldn't hurt. Bneu2013 (talk) 06:21, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

• Near the northern end of the IL 255 freeway, IL 111 splits away and joins IL 267 while US 67 continues north to the end of the IL 255. - mentioning IL 255 twice in the sentence kind of seems redundant. Could be condensed and reworded.

• "the:" in front of "former alignment of IL 267"

• Link Interchange (road) in second paragraph.

• Unlink Forgottonia in third paragraph.
  •  Not done This is the first occurrence after the lead, so it's not against WP:OVERLINK. It's also a reasonable navigational opportunity.

• I have answered everything thus far. –Fredddie™ 08:12, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

• @Fredddie: - I apologize for the delay in responses, but I am extremely busy this week. That being said, I will have additional comments soon.

History

• Should "U.S. Highway" in the first sentence be linked to List of U.S. Highways in Illinois?
  • I could go either way. Even though it's linked in the infobox, I like linking to the capstone article here.

• Route 3 should probably be linked to Illinois Route 3 in the first paragraph. Done

• Residents of Woodson got together with members of the Mississippi Valley Highway association to petition the state to have Route 3 pass through their community rather than one-half mile (800 m) to the west - when?  Done

• Is "Illinois state department of public works and buildings" a proper name? Done

• By 1924, work on the initial system was nearly complete. - including Route 3?

• Another $100 million bond package (equivalent to $1.27 billion in 2021[7]) was floated to voters that November - did it pass?  Added

• The last sections of Route 3 to be paved were near Virginia in Cass County and between Ashland and Alexander in Morgan County - when?

• However, these short cuts were not paved upon US 67's designation, so Temporary US 67 signage was erected along Route 3 in those areas. - I may have missed it, but does is say anywhere below when these stretches were paved?
  • This is kind of a package deal with the these four. The system was almost done, but the government was running out of funds, so they floated the bonds. The bonds helped tie up the loose ends of completing the original system, of which Route 3 was a part. At this point in time, if it didn't have a route number, it wasn't part of the highway system. I don't have exact dates for paving here, just maps being annotated as being unpaved one year and paved the next. There are some people who would argue that this is a cardinal sin and that I should be excoriated, but in all honesty, I'm just presenting the facts that I found.
    • I think we can let this pass. Alternatively, you could just cite the first state maps that indicates these stretches were paved. That seems to be common practice with U.S. Highway articles. Bneu2013 (talk) 21:48, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

• The bridges were reopened after the waters receded and the ice could pass beneath the bridge - pretty sure "bridge" should be plural. If so, change to "them". If not, specify which bridge.

• The bridge reopened at 7:30 pm on April 3, but closed an hour later when the bridge began to sag once again. - change second "the bridge" to "it". Also, did the bridge require further repairs? When was it reopened again?  Added
  • I believe I have either addressed or commented on everything thus far. –Fredddie™ 06:23, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

  @Bneu2013: Just making sure we each haven't forgotten about this. –Fredddie™ 11:59, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

• @Fredddie: I haven't. I have been busier that expected this week, and will have my final comments soon. Bneu2013 (talk) 19:51, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

  I am in no hurry, but I just wanted to show that there is an open line of communication here. –Fredddie™ 20:53, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oxford comma after "Pleasant View" for consistency, per uses above.

• Flip order of "reroute completely".

• At the time, the population of Calhoun County was lower than the average annual daily traffic of the Clark Bridge. - I assume this means the number of vehicles crossing the bridge per day was greater than the number of residents of Calhoun County I would elaborate.

• Approximately 1,500 feet (460 m) of road on the bridge was replaced. - elaborate on what was replaced. Was it concrete, asphalt, etc.?

• By 1990, the Clark Bridge was showing its age. Several years earlier, two semi trucks became wedged on the narrow bridge when they tried to pass by one another. - Can you provide a date for when this accident happened? Also, you might want to flip the order of the sentences.

• When did the truck restrictions go into effect?

• Reword second use of "cable-stayed bridge" to something like "first of it's kind" and combine with previous sentence.

• Is "secretary of transportation" a proper name in Illinois?
  • This consistent with MOS:JOBTITLE The formality (officialness), specificity, or unusualness of a title is not a reason to capitalize it. –Fredddie™ 17:46, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• "as it were" doesn't seem like the best word choice; is this trying to say federal dollars were already stretched at the time?

• Illinois Secretary of State, and later governor, Jim Edgar expressed support for the Corridor 67 group's aspirations and he hoped the route would be selected for the Avenue of the Saints highway. - use of commas needs improvement; you could cut all of them or cut the one after "Secretary of State" and add one after "Jim Edgar". Also cut "he" or reword to specifically say that he communicated that he wanted the route selected for the Avenue of the Saints highway.
  • I'm going to leave the commas where they are because saying he was the also the governor is an aside. Remove the aside and a comma is out of place.
• In order to sweeten their proposal - proposal for what?

• The Democratic Party candidate and eventual winner, Carol Moseley Braun, even received reassurance from Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who at the time was the chair of the senate committee that oversees federal highway funding. - link "Democratic Party (United States)" and list what state Moynihan was from.
  • Not linking New York per MOS:OL –Fredddie™

• Ultimately, the Avenue of the Saints highway was not routed through Illinois, but leaders from the Corridor 67 group hoped there could be a second Saints route through Illinois. - change second use of "Illinois" to "the state".

• Consider linking "1998 election cycle" to 1998 United States elections or something appropriate.

• "never seeming to be any available funds" sounds more opinionated. Suggest rewording to something more neutral.
  • reworded so it reads like it was their opinion, which it was. –Fredddie™
• While working south of Jerseyville, remains of a 1400-year-old Native American village was discovered. - "1,400" and link "Native Americans in the United States". Also, when was this discovery made?

• Citations needed for final paragraph.

I believe I have everything addressed. –Fredddie™ 18:49, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Major intersections

• All of the mileages round to the tenths place except for the first and last. IDOT appears to provide GIS mapping on their website with accuracy to the hundredths place.

References

• Add |via=Newspapers.com to citations 8-11, 15-28, 30, 31, 33, 38-45, 47-59, 61, 66.

• Add |via=NewspaperArchive to citation 62.

@Fredddie: - These should be the final tasks and then the article should be ready. Bneu2013 (talk) 01:29, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I think I got them all. Ironically, I removed them about a year ago. –Fredddie™ 05:17, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

That should do it. Passing Bneu2013 (talk) 05:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)