Talk:Ukaz

• This article contains some incorrectly information. Enacting and promulgating of "Stalin's Constitution" of the USSR in 1936 discontinued an existence of such legal act form as decree in Russian legal system. Since 1936 all acts of Supreme Council of the USSR were named Ukaz (Ukase) or Постановление- Postanovleniye (Decision) and all acts of the Soviet Government were named Postanovleniye or Распоряжение - Rasporyazhenie (Order).--79.172.79.185 (talk) 16:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Ukase of 1799 and Ukase of 1821

I'm doing background for a rewrite of the Alaska boundary dispute article and have come across mention of the Ukase of 1799, which was issued under Paul; see here for one reference to its terms, among which claims in Russian America were asserted to 55 degrees north; the Ukase of 1821 tried to extend that to 44-50 N or so but was quickly challenged by Britain, leading to the Treaty of St. Petersburg (1825). The 1821 Ukase had lots of other items in it, including ecclesiastical decrees, so it seems clear the Ukase of 1799 probably had a lot more in it than just territorial assertions in North America. Anyone here familiar enough with Russian history/specifics or the Ukases to help out?Skookum1 (talk) 17:08, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Here's some possible sources that could be used, via Google Books (old and fully viewable sources). I don't have the time to do more now--maybe later.

The actual text of the Ukases of 1799 and of 1821 can be found on pages 23-28 of this 1903 report by the Alaskan Boundary Tribunal. There are actually two Ukases of 1821. The names given in this report are: 1. Ukase of July 8, 1799, Granting Privileges to the Russian American Company (grants company rights north of 55th parallel). 2. Ukase of September 4, 1821 (not specific to the Russian American Company; this Ukase forbids ships from coming within "100 Italian miles" of the "whole of the north-west coast of America" from "Behring Straits" to the 51st parallel, and even farther south in Asia; the Ukase which the US and Britain immediately protested). 3. Ukase of September 13, 1821, Renewing Privileges of the Russian-American Company. "Second Charter of the Russian American Company" (grants company rights "from the northern point of the Island of Vancouver, under 51 north latitude.."). There are later Ukases from 1829 and 1844 relating to the Russian American Company and the Pacific Northwest printed on the following pages, and much else that relates to the topic. Apparently the report is about the Portland Canal area boundary dispute between the US and Britain (Canada now).

There's more information on the general topic starting on page 41 of The Alaska boundary (1903). The section titled "The Ukase of 1821" starts on page 43.

Also, some stuff about the Ukase of 1821 in International environmental law reports, Volume 1, pages 45-46. Mainly about it forbidding non-Russian vessels from even approaching Russian American territory within "a hundred Italian miles", and how both the US and Britain immediately protested, resulting in the 1824 and 1825 conventions with each (highlighted points of the conventions given, including demarcation of territories). Pages 60, 69, and, with more detail, page 86 say the Russian claim of marine jurisdiction was reduced to "the reach of a cannon shot from the shore" during the convention negotiations. Why is this in a book about international environmental law? The effort to save the sea otter from extinction in the late 19th century, I think. The "Fur Seal Controversy" of 1892, whatever that was. Pfly (talk) 05:35, 2 December 2009 (UTC)