Talk:University Park Mall/GA1

GA Review

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Nominator: TenPoundHammer (talk · contribs) 00:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Reconrabbit (talk · contribs) 13:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I'm going to take on this review. Before I start, I do want to say that there's a lot of local reporting being relied upon here. Even if South Bend Tribune is "the third largest daily broadsheet newspaper in the state of Indiana by circulation". That level of scrutiny is out of the scope of this review, though. The location looks to have had a substantial economic impact on the area. Reconrabbit 13:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

@Reconrabbit: I didn't find much in the sources about notable features in the mall's architecture. I don't think this compromises the completeness, as other GA-class mall articles don't always include that info if it's not readily available. Both JCPenney and Sears had automotive and catalog sections. (Off the top of my head, I know Fashion Square Mall in Saginaw opened with automotive centers in both its JCPenney and Sears.) That was common at the time. And yes, some JCPenneys did have restaurants in them. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:50, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I did a search and didn't find much either on architectural style. I only noted it because it felt unusual to omit what the mall looks like (but that's what photos are for I guess). The design wasn't remarkable enough for anyone to remark upon it in any depth, which I can see now. Personally I see a lot of character in the facade and molding compared to, say, the average strip mall in my area, but that's not reflected in the papers so away it goes. I'll strike the notes that are just my own misgivings about what was normal for a mall and some confusion about what amenities were attached to which stores. Reconrabbit 12:22, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Reconrabbit: is there anything else that needs to be improved before the article can pass? I think reconfigurations are notable as they fall under the construction changes over time. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:15, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Nothing else needs to be improved here - I am just stuck because of the newspapers.com links not working at the moment. I'll check the sources I can. Reconrabbit 19:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Give me a moment and I'll clip them. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:48, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Reconrabbit: I clipped all the newspapers.com sources so you should be able to read them now. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 20:13, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Only thing I found was one date that didn't match up. Let me know what's going on with that and we can wrap up. Reconrabbit 17:18, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Which one? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

@Reconrabbit: Caught it. I'm dyscalculic as fuck so I mess up numbers sometimes. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Prose notes

I'm sure that these could just be unusual facts about the mall, but they could be clarified:

• DeBartolo confirmed the mall would consist of about 964,051 square feet That's a very specific number for it to be "about".
• the store also featured a restaurant, automotive repair, and an area for catalog orders. Is this the same automotive repair area and catalog order area as mentioned in the start of this section? Also, a restaurant in a JCPenney?
• that University Park employed over 20 off-duty police officers as part of its security force What connects the security force to fines/firing of employees not following the parking policy? The General Cinema Corporation fact that follows this also appears entirely disconnected from it aside from being the next major event chronologically.

Broadness

• Article thoroughly covers the history of the location from inception to the present day. Y
• There should be some mention of the architectural style or notable design features of the location.

Focus

• Major events are covered, smaller changes noted in detail, especially store closings. Y
• I'm not sure how necessary it is to note that there were "reconfigurations" and that a restroom complex was added. A little too much minutiae that is distinct from a store opening or closing. It's more reasonable if these renovations are connected to actual changes such as addition or closing of stores.

Neutrality

• No ongoing or recent edit wars. Y
• Neutral point of view and no weasel-worded phrases; statements from organizations and companies are attributed. Y

Copyright violations

• Earwig didn't detect anything, but it's not reading off the images on Newspapers.com word-for-word. I don't expect to find issues but will compare during source checks.

  The statements in the references I could check were distinctive from the prose written here and I found no evidence of copying text from them.

References

• List of references conforms to manual of style. Y
• There will probably be some delay with checking references since the newspapers.com sources are not clipped and access via WP:TWL is broken right now.

Source check based on this revision:

• I can't check the text of references 1 thru 38 and 40 due to a lack of access to newspapers.com through The Wikipedia Library. 48 has a paywall in front of it.
• [1] Y Projected opening date in the source is Spring 1978, not 1979. Corrected
• [5] Y
• [7] Y
• [10] Y
• [15] Y
• [16] Y
• [20] Y
• [27] Y
• [30] Y
• [35] Y
• [39] Y
• [41] Y
• [42] Y
• [43] Y
• [44] Y
• [45] Y
• [46] Y
• [47] Y
• [49] Y

Original research

• All statements backed up by references. Y

Images

• Images tagged with licenses and are used and formatted appropriately. Y
• The infobox caption (A mall entrance in 2024) should be made more specific. Which mall entrance? This mall? Cardinal direction could be useful, e.g., "Southern entrance of University Park Mall in 2024".
• The images of the mall interior are skewed at an angle that's not great but it's out of the scope of this review - just something to note.

Misc. notes

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

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