Talk:Virtual Insanity

Virtual Insanity was nominated as a Music good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (May 31, 2024, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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POV

Might want to take out the part about the toaster... funny though —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.220.159.9 (talk) 07:27, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The "interpretation" of the music video is completely POV. References are made which are only determined by this wikipedians' POV. Wikipedia is definitely not a format for discussing an individuals own interpretation of music videos. Unless the band has publicly claimed that this was the intention of the music video, it seems very unencyclopedic and unscholarly to assume that this music vidoe is an opponent for, among other things, animal testing. Blah blah blah. You get the idea. 69.17.136.13 01:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)Bonnar69.17.136.13 01:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How It Was Done

This page has, at different times, given two different explainations for how the video was made (moving walls, moving floor), neither of them referenced. It would be good to have this section back, but since there is disagreement, there needs to be references. Keithmahoney 21:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The 4th wall may refer to the ceiling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.15.2 (talk) 23:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Space Week

The song's being used on the commercial for Space Week on the Science Channel. Which may or may not warrant a mention. I'll let my fellow wikipedians decide. --MightyGiant 22:29, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grammy

Why isn't it mentioned anywhere on this page that the song won a Grammy in 1997 for Best Pop Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocal? Seems like a pretty big oversight to me... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.192.27 (talk) 23:08, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Virtual Insanity/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Electricmaster (talk · contribs) 14:02, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Esculenta (talk · contribs) 17:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I'll review this article. I'll have a full review here within a few days, but I notice there a few bits of the article that currently lack a citation (3rd & 4th paragraphs & final sentence of "Composition"; 2nd para of "Content and ideation"), so it would be great if you could source these. Esculenta (talk) 17:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay. I've addressed all these as best I can. I can't find the specific citation that says the tilts were to mask the cuts, but I do remember reading it, and the source I use shows Kay mentioning they did a total of four cuts, so these tilts are pretty axiomatic to be the cuts, imo. Electricmaster (talk) 20:13, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's my review. Although the article is quite well-written and comprehensive, there are some major issues with sourcing/original research, as described below. Checking the article history, it seems that these OR additions were pre-existing in the article before you started improving it. The spot checks are just a sample; I'd recommended checking all of the text/citations that weren't added by you to ensure they're compliant with Wikipedia sourcing standards. Let me know how you'd like to proceed. Esculenta (talk) 16:39, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, seven+ days with no engagement means it's time to shut this down. Good article nomination not promoted. Esculenta (talk) 22:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It’s clear there is a lot of work to do, but at least we have a thorough understanding of what needs to be fixed, and therefore it will improve the article quality as well as a sliver of the site overall. Thanks for your feedback! Electricmaster (talk) 00:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The lead section should summarize the key points of the article more comprehensively. Mention the critical reception and notable chart performance briefly to provide a full overview.
link digeridoo, label, B-side, vinyl
any way to expand on the musical elements of the song? Instrumentation, key, tempo, and any unique musical features?
any quotes from musicians, critics, or industry experts specifically discussing the song’s musicality?
where was the song recorded?
any streaming numbers available?
"It was also referenced in a 2021 episode of Robot Chicken." needs a citation
why is the entire "Accolades" table unsourced? I understand that parts of the table are sourced elsewhere in the article, but where, for example, is the source that confirms that Jonathan Glazer and John McManus were nominated for "Best Editing"?

images

the 3 images are licensed with appropriate copyright statuses or valid non-free use rationales
music sample usage meets guidelines outlined in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music samples

spotchecks

"The song also earned the band a Grammy Award for Best Pop Vocal Performance by a Duo or Group." sourced to FN1: fine
"In the beginning of the song's album version, a sound that is sampled from the 1979 sci-fi horror film Alien appears. It is the sound sequence when the S.O.S. signal appears on the screens of the spaceship Nostromo at the start of the film." sourced to a Youtube clip of the Alien movie = OR
"The album version is longer, including the addition of extra vocals and a bridge." sourced to #13: this source give the lyrics of the (supposedly) longer version, but does not directly support what the article says (=OR).
"and has seen renewed attention on TikTok, gaining millions more views through various internet memes and remixes." I'm pretty sure a Youtube search listing is not a reliable source (=OR)
"Ted Kessler from NME declared it as a "bittersweet" gem and a "fine" single." sourced to FN19: fine
"The video earned recognition from critics for its special effects, ultimately winning an MTV Video Music Award for Best Visual Effects." sourced to FN27: fine
""No computer trickery was used," Glazer said. "What we did was put the whole set on wheels and attach the camera to one wall. The furniture also had little wheels, and we had guys moving the set and the furniture [outside of the frame]. The floor never moved. It was like a magician's trick." sourced to FN29: fine
"The music video for "Virtual Insanity" has been parodied, referred to, remixed, or imitated in countless music videos, television shows, and internet memes. A TV promo by comedian Chris Rock was made for the 1997 MTV Video Music Awards, whereby Rock imitates Jay Kay in a comedic fashion through digital superimposition." All of this is "sourced" to the Youtube video of the promo … which cannot count as a reliable source (=OR).
"In 2007, the video's original director, Jonathan Glazer, uploaded a parody of the video whereby the room was digitally turned into a bathroom and had Jay Kay appear to interact with patrons in a comedic fashion, again using digital superimposition." again, sourced to the Youtube video of the parody (=OR).
"Other notable parodies include a cutaway from a 14th-season Family Guy episode called "Scammed Yankees", which went viral as an internet meme in 2023 under the portmanteau "Cartermiroquai"." again, sourced to the videos to which they refer (=OR).

Meme song impact

Should we mention that Virtual Insanity had become a meme song in the intro? 2600:100C:A20C:6C0F:D511:E9CD:CE9C:59C7 (talk) 05:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]