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Why does weft knitting redirect here?[edit]

Why does it? Presumably weft knitting is the normal sort of knitting practiced by thousands of people around the world, but this is not specified in the article (I wouldn't think it should be). Unfortunately, I don't know exactly what weft knitting is, so I can't write an article on it. Ullpianissimo (talk) 22:33, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Contradicting inventors[edit]

joedkins, Another contradiction, though not of your doing: Timeline of clothing and textiles technology (I’m preparing an update in my sandbox) and Warp knitting have the same dates but different inventors for the raschel machine. I found a connection between the two at sources that may not count as reliable. Do you have additional references?

Jo Pol (talk) 15:35, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Found something at

Em 1855, Redgate em Leicester combinou um tear circular de ponto RIB 1x1 para ourelar com um tear de malha de urdume, o que resultou num tear com duas fileiras de agulhas dispostas em angulo reto que permitia produzir malhas de urdume de uma ou duas faces. A esta altura, a grande moda de Paris era inspirada nos trajes da famosa atriz da comédia française, Elisbeth Rachel Felix. Aproveitando o ensejo, a empresa Zimmermann & Sohn de Apolda, na Turquia, teve a idéia luminosa de aproveitar para sua propaganda a fascinação emanada de Elisabeth Rachel, lançando no mercado com o nome da artista, os xales fabricados nos teares de Redgate. Quatro anos mais tarde na mesma localidade, Guilhermo Barfuss constrói um tear mais aperfeiçoado com duas fileiras de agulhas de lingüeta que recebiam um movimento vertical pôr meios de barras dentadas e ao qual chamou de Tear Raschel.

Which google translates as:

In 1855, Redgate in Leicester combined a circular loom RIB 1x1 point for ourelar with a warp knitting machine, resulting in a loom with two rows of needles arranged at right angle allowing to produce warp knitting one or both sides. At this point, the rage of Paris was inspired by the famous actress comedy costumes française, Elisbeth Rachel Felix. Taking the opportunity, the company Zimmermann & Sohn of Apolda, Turkey, had the idea light to take to their propaganda emanating mesmerizing Elisabeth Rachel, launching on the market with the artist name, shawls manufactured in Redgate looms. Four years later at the same location, Guillermo Barfuss builds a loom more improved with two rows of latch needles receiving a vertical movement put means of toothed bars and which called Raschel machine. (talk) 08:44, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

At last something not from a wiki and properly referenced with some English sources, so that must be traceable.

Introdução à Malharia.Setor de Malharia. SENAI-CETIQT.
Análise de Tecidos Ketten, Setor de Malharia, SENAI/CETIQT
SPENCER, David J. Knitting Technology. Cambridge, Woodhead, 1997.
SAMUEL, Raz. Flat Knitting Technology. Westhausen, Germany, Universal Maschinenfabrik
Dr. Rudolf Schieber flachstrickmaschinen, 1993
ELSASSER, Virginia Hencken. Textiles: Concepts and Principles. Delmar Publishers, NY, 1997.

The needed section translates as: By 1850 Elizabeth Rachel reached the height of his fame in Paris, where painfully gone from a simple street singer in Montmartre first lady of the French Comedy. Everything Elizabeth Rachel wore on stage had just becoming fashionable and all milliners took the time as a model to Rachel's clothes. In 1855 Redgate developed his loom point and retained using this loom Zimmermann & Sohn produced a shawl that launched in market under the name Raschel, Germanized form of Rachel's name. Later from William Barfuss, in 1859, these looms were being improved yielding a group of machines that are in use today and evolve and are known as Raschel machines.

Jo Pol (talk) 15:49, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

joedkins, What remains is proofreading my changes on warp knit and in the timeline article. Unless you feel really tempted to verify the original English references listed above. Jo Pol (talk) 18:17, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Jo Pol - concerning history of Raschel machines - I'm afraid that I can't help. My only reference is Pat Earnshaw's Lace Machines and Machine Lace (her other books are based on that). She is NOT good on non-British lace machines. For Rashel machines, she starts by implying that they were 20th century machines (which I guess is when they became used in Britain). She does cover the origin of the name (that actress), but otherwise says "Raschel machines, manufactured by the firm of Karl Mayer in Germany, ..." and goes on to describe their uses. No dates, let alone inventors! There is a lot on Warp frames (very technical) but skimming it, I can't find any relevant dates which mention Raschels. I wonder if there is a clash of naming here? That Britain carried on calling them Warp Frames for longer than elsewhere? I've looked up some of the names in your account in Earnshaw's index, and can't find anything. Joedkins (talk)

Tidy up Raschel section[edit]

Jo Pol - I've done a bit of tidying up of warp knit and in the timeline articles. I've removed some stuff which I didn't think was necessary, to make it easier to read. But replace it if you think it's essential - I won't start an edit war!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Joedkins (talkcontribs) 14:19, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Joedkins, Youre tidying up is indeed an improvement, I merely copied from the referenced sources. I changed the bullets into sections for accurate linking from the timeline. Some time ago I also put up images found in media commons, but the third one looks different from the other two, so I'm in doubt about these. Jo Pol (talk) 09:36, 24 December 2014 (UTC)