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The walk

Is there a consensus on which way round the three peaks challenge is done? I did it clockwise, but most of the articles say anti-clockwise is more normal? Grinner 11:40, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've only ever done it anti-clockwise. I've completed 22 so far and haven't met anyone yet who's done it the other way round. Not to say that you can or can't really but all the info on the web points to the same way being anti-clockwise with Pen-y-Ghent the first. Minky200 19:41, 3 January 2006 (GMT)

Fair enough, I was coming to suspect that. I wonder why I did it the other way? ;-). I'll update the pages to include this info. Grinner 10:37, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't drive so the routes have to be from Horton or Ribblehead via the railway. I've done the walk several times from both locations in both directions. It's true you don't often see people doing it clockwise, perhaps if your unfamiliar with the area all the guides send you anti-clockwise and you can start from wherever. In my opinion, for what it's worth, doing Pen Y Ghent last is the best option - the hardest way is from Ribblehead via Pen Y Ghent, Ingleborough & Whernside (it's a tough old slog up Whernside after the other two) and I'm not a fan of the 'traditional' route as I find coming off Ingleborough to Horton tiresome. From Ribblehead via Whernside, Ingleborough & Pen Y Ghent is, for me, the best route (and the Station Inn at Ribbelhead is open all day nowadays) - you also get the option that if you are stuggling you can 'retire' at Horton with facilities being available (cafe, shop, pub, toilets). If you need help please email me at mac.hawk@ntlworld.com.Mac.trig 15:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Given the emphasis of what has been written so far, what I am about to say may be seen as contentious. When I made my changes recently I tried to downgrade the use of the word challenge. My point is that by definition it is a walk, it only becomes a challenge when people set themselves targets. To me it shouldn't even be called "The Yorkshire Three Peaks" and should be called "The Three Peaks". The problem is that it has been overshadowed by that driving endurance day known by many as The National Three Peaks. To pick up on a point above, the only consensus about doing the three peaks should be that they are done in one continuous trip. The order in which the peaks are bagged and the route followed is up to the individual(s) concerned. The most most common route is anti-clockwise starting in Horton but that doesn't make it the correct route. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JazzTyke (talk • contribs) 23:06, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with JazzTyke. Anticlockwise has the possible advantages that particularly steep sections on Pen y Ghent and Ingleborough are done in ascent rather than descent (which may be physically easier) and that a peak is achieved soon after the start (which may help with morale), and these factors may account for the greater popularity, but neither direction is officially recognised. --Money money tickle parsnip (talk) 18:01, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Three Peaks

Three Peaks goes nowhere. Since this suggests no other place or thing has a claim on the term, should it redirect here? It's what I tried typing in first, and when it came up blank, I went to Whernside instead; it wouldnt have occured to me to try "Yorkshire three peaks", that's not a common term for them in my experience.

It now goes to a disambiguation page. — ras52 22:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

July 10 2007.

Unfortunately 'The 3 (or Three) Peaks' has been gazumped by the appalingly environmently unfriendly urge to 'do' the 3 highest peaks of England, Scotland & Wales in 24 hours. In reality this means a bunch people gain pleasure from traversing the country at great speed in motorised chariots of death (cars, mini-bus etc) and annoying the hell out of local residents as they create noise & disruption in late evening/early morning. It is generally regarded by the discerning hill walker/climber as an act of vandalism. Mac.trig 15:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

[I've reinstated this comment by Mac.trig as it appears to have been unintentionally removed by Keith D, probably in an edit conflict. — ras52 09:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)][reply]

Sorry for loosing the text, looks like it got lost when I updated the project template. Keith D 12:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not really valid in this talk page is it, Mac.trig? - Ncikjohnston (talk) 08:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As you might expect, I disagree, this is a 'discussion' page and I feel it important to point out that in, certainly northern England, for a long time 'The 3 Peaks' solely meant the Yorkshire peaks. The annual (Yorkshire) 3 Peaks Race race was first established in 1954 and the challenge was established well before that (in 2008 it was the choice for the World Mountain Running Challenge Race). It has only been since the common ownership of the motor car and several road improvements (including the M6 section) - well after the (Yorkshire) 3 Peaks had been established - for the possibility of the 'average' punter to be able to even consider the 'National 3 Peaks'. That it's popularity (or reknown) has risen to outstrip the {Yorkshire} 3 Peaks might nowadays be fact but doesn't displace the originators claim. I might accept that some further comments may be considered personal but if you visit the National Three Peaks entry you will see my comments equally reflected in that article. Mac.trig 20:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but what point are you trying to make? If it is simply that you dislike the ethos of the National Three Peaks Challenge, then, yes, I agree with you. But it still isn't really an appropriate topic for discoussion on this talk page. — ras52 (talk) 21:29, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite sure why you feel the need to apologise. Yes I dislike the ethos of the (National} 3 Peaks Challenge, but my point is that, historically, to a certain area within England the 3 Peaks Challenge represented one thing and that in recent years that has changed to mean another. The 'National 3 Peaks' & 'Yorkshire 3 Peaks' are really terms created simply for wikipedia - for the vast majority of people who embark on either challenge the '3 Peaks' will be simply 'The 3 Peaks'. My 2007 comments are perhaps somewhat vitriolic, but they only concur with the main entry in the 'National' section of wikipedia.comment added by Mac.trig 22:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I may have repeated some of this in the previous section. I hadn't read this bit before I wrote my words. Talking about the National Three Peaks is relevant, because it puts the use of the words used in context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JazzTyke (talk • contribs) 23:09, 22 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

January 2013

I don't know how to change Article Headers, but if I did I would chnge this to, simply, "The Three Peaks". User Mac.trig is correct to suggest that this is the correct name, and the "Yorkshire" epithet has been added only to differentiate The Three Peaks from other subordinate Three Peaks groupings.

Whilst not as geographically imposing as the highest summits of Scotland, England and Wales (subjective perhaps 8-) ) the Yorkshire Mountains are the original, and this should be respected.

195.88.237.18 (talk) 14:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

External Links

Have gone ahead and removed all external links, as none contributed much. No free advertising. Please re-add sparingly. - Ncikjohnston (talk) 08:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

contribs) 19:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vanity Posting

"The Novices Guide to The Yorkshire 3 Peaks by Brian Smailes Challenge Publications ISBN 978-1-903568-46-0" - this looks like a vanity contribution to me. There may be scope for including it as a reference, but not in the main body. Any thoughts? --Langcliffe (talk) 13:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A very brief search of Amazon fails to find any other books about the Three Peaks, so I'm inclined to believe the assertion that this is the only one on the subject. If that's the case, I don't think it's unreasonable to mention it. That said, it is very clearly a conflict of interest for the author to add it himself, and he should be advised not to add similar items himself — rather to bring them to the talk page for discussion first. However in this particular case, I don't personally feel it would be productive to revert him. — ras52 (talk) 15:13, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of books that provide the route for the Three Peaks Walk, including Wainwright's Limestone Country, and there seems to be a few dedicated to the walk [1]. But PamD has now moved the reference into a Further Reading section, which I think is probably the best solution. --Langcliffe (talk) 07:12, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ras52 & Landcliffe are quite correct, there are several commercial guides to the Three Peaks Walk available and there are plenty of free ones on the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mac.hawk (talk • contribs) 21:57, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]