Talk:Zamindar/Archive 1

Archive 1

Elaborate please

This is not to undermine your work; but I read the article several times and I still don't understand exactly how it works, least of all how it works today in Pakistan.

I think it needs a little more elaboration. Thanks.

Hindu or Muslim?

So it says "As most zamindars were Hindus, the Muslim peasantry, who formed the majority of the population in the countryside, was vehemently against zamindars." But where is a source to support this? I have been researching this and have been unable to find a definitive source saying that it was either mostly Muslim or Hindu, or a mix. What supports this? --98.169.83.230 (talk) 18:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Zamindari confused with Jagirdari?

This article confuses Zamindari with Jagirdari 68.249.31.22 16:48, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Zamindari and Jagirdari systems are same, both were for the revenue collection. In Madhya Pradesh state it was called Zamindari system but in Rajasthan state it was called Jagirdari system. burdak 07:03, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

It should be noted, however, that jagir means fief, whereas zamin merely means land. Any landowner can be called a zamindar, but only a fiefholder is a jagirdar. Zamindari literally means "land-ownership" in Urdu/Hindustani/Persian. The article makes it seem as if its primary meaning is that of a system of feudalistic fiefholding.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less." This discussion does not clarify the changes in meaning which occur in various regions and periods of time. It skirts one of the central issues in Asian history and historiography: systems of land tenure, in which Zemindars played an important but varying role. Regardless of their etymology, the words describe institutions, or habitual practices, which are always in flux in response to social circumstances. Cf. Sir Henry Maine, Ancient Law and Early History of Institutions.

Specifically, a Zamindar or Zemindar was not merely a landowner or owner in fee simple, nor simply a tax collector. Despite important regional differences, land tenure was at the pleasure of the government in both British and Indian law, as it was under the Mughals. "The State as Landowner" in de Laveleye, Primitive Property, ch. 24. A Zamindar had varying responsibilities for arbitration/adjudication of conflicts, collection and remittance of taxes to the government, maintaining law and order, roads, water collection and drainage, and the postal system. See the articles on the Permanent Settlement and Gobindram Mitter. Many of these functions existed long before the British intervention.

The statement about illiteracy among government officials is unsupported by any factual citation. It confuses literacy with issues of Anglicization of a Persian word; such differences of Anglicized spelling occur everywhere, and differences are not necessarily an indication of illiteracy.Fconaway 20:02, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

The literal meaning of the words may be different, but not everytime was a zamindar under a jagirdar. If you go through J D Shifton survey on Hazaribagh, or Ghatwali tenures in mungyer or santhal pargana, you will find many jagirs were created by the zamindars, as the zamindars had many autonomous rights within their estate from policing to maintaining army (army was only partially abolished after permanent settlement and completely abolished after revolt of 1857)and granting service tenure to its subjects and also during Mughal era a chieftain/ ruling rajah of a princely state were also called zamindars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.35.241.212 (talk) 16:05, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Media

Is it relevant to mention things like Devdas Mukherjee's family in the novel were Zamindars? Or, are there other important examples? gren グレン 04:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Wadera and Lambardar

I saw that in the article there were written Wadara and Labardar, I corrected to the spellings Wadera and Lambardar. For example, a part of the Sindhi ancestors of Benazir Bhutto from her father's side were Wadera. Desiphral-देसीफ्राल 10:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Evident, really?

Section British era, second para:

The similarities to medieval feudalism are evident.

No, they aren't! In my eyes, this British era Zamindari system seems much more like the Roman Empire tax collection system. Similarities to medieval feudalism are very far from evident, since the land lords of feudalism could choose to keep all money for themselves and instead erect a local military to fulfill the same service. ... said: Rursus (bork²) 15:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

The Zamindari in British Era was similar to British aristocracy. The barons, earls and other social members of aristocracy/ landed gentry did not keep armies, but are feudal lords. The Zamindars in Mughal era were completely different, they were more like vassals as they maintained autonomy and had big armies. Infact many times they even revolted against the Emperor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.35.241.212 (talk) 15:53, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Dubious

Zamindar from zimmi? Not according to the American Heritage Dictionary. — The Man in Question (gesprec) · (forðung) 20:44, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Bangladesh

No the law didnt take effect in the 70s. The zamindari system was abolished in the 50s by the east pakistan government. Bangladesh consitution does not have a clause relating to land owenership of geovernment/individual. Some one please change this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.130.27.37 (talk) 09:52, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

AND WHO TOOK OFF Dhaka Nawab Family and Raja Tridev Roy from the article??? This was to make a point about the powerful zamindars of Bangladesh, who someone (without citation) disagrees to and hence erased. LOOK INTO THIS PLEASE! (Rajshahi jela (talk) 09:27, 19 January 2011 (UTC))

'enormous tracts of land'?

This phrase, particularly 'enormous' seemed doubtful as it is: one, unencyclopedic, and two: a Monty Python reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.61.157.138 (talk) 01:52, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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Relation with Mughals

The relation of Zamindars with Mughal emperor is from a reliable source and more addition is welcome but removing a reliable information from wikipedia is not appreciated. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.35.241.212 (talk) 15:48, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

You should not copypaste a large chunk from the source like you did in the article. That's WP:COPYVIO. You also removed other sources, which is disruptive. Write specific things in your own words succinctly. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:52, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Well I have copy pasted as I was unaware that we can not copy paste from a source. I will try to edit using my words. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.35.241.212 (talk) 15:57, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, and remember to write in an encyclopedic way, maintain formatting, etc. And also remember not to write anything that is not explicitly mentioned in the source which will then go against WP:NOR policy. I'll post a set of links on how to edit stuff here. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:00, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

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