Template talk:WikiLeaks cable

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See Template_talk:Cite_web#proposal:_cable_parameter. Since the solution proposed by Gadget850 over there is relatively simple, i'm having a go at creating this elementary template (to be made more sophisticated later on if someone wishes) for use within citations as |id={{cablegate:01CITYNAME1234}}. Boud (talk) 22:15, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Don't invent "-gate" names for things[edit]

Per WP:LABEL, we should not be inventing short "-gate" names for things that aren't used elsewhere, and in fact we should avoid using such names even when they are used elsewhere, unless it is the universal, neutral name - which in this case it is not. Please reformat this to use a different template name and text. You might also want to provide an inline source for the syntax of the identifier, above and beyond the link to the general article that is already present. Gavia immer (talk) 22:09, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

You're correct that "-gate" is very specifically warned about at WP:LABEL. However, the name "cablegate" was not invented by us. It seems to me that in order to avoid original research, we have to follow what WikiLeaks recommends as closely as possible (http://www.wikileaks.ch/cablegate.html). Google on "cablegate" gets me 753,000 responses. Nearly one million references just six weeks after the release started. So it's hard to argue against "universal" unless we go to multi-word descriptions, as opposed to a string without spaces, more like a tag (metadata) which can be used as metadata, i.e. in a URI. i have added some more inline sources.
So i'm afraid we do seem to have the situation that "-gate" is officially recommended, and it is very widely used. WP:LABEL does not say that an official, widely used name should not be used because it is not neutral enough.
If you can think of an alternative, please propose it. This template can easily be renamed (leaving behind a redirect) if we can think up a better alternative. Boud (talk) 01:08, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Even the article isn't called Cablegate. As this might be useful for future releases, might I suggest {{Wikileaks cable}} as an alternative? As future releases happen, just create a new wikileaks template. After all - that's what you're linking to - something on Wikileaks. Ravensfire (talk) 03:04, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Good point about future releases. To make your suggestion more concrete, you seem to be proposing something like:
Code Result
{{Wikileaks cable|09ASTANA677}} Wikileaks-cable:09ASTANA677
We have a choice between "the plus ("+"), period ("."), or hyphen ("-") characters" between the words 'Wikileaks' and 'cable'. The standard mediawiki underscore ("_") is apparently not valid for this part of a URI. i suggest the hyphen "-".
Any objections? Boud (talk) 14:50, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Hrmmm, the space should be acceptable - see {{Cite web}}. The _ gets added behind the scenes, but the actual template name and when you use the template is just {{Tl:Cite web}}. I don't think there's a definitive standard either way (space or dash), as the user warning templates use the dash. If possible, I'd say follow the cite pattern, and use the space. After the move, I think we can request a bot to go through pages using the old template and update them to use the new name directly. Ravensfire (talk) 17:05, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
The space seems most sensible to me, too. As a courtesy, the hyphenated version should be redirected to the spaced version.   — C M B J   21:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Done. i put WikiLeaks rather than Wikileaks, since the former is the official version and used almost (?) everywhere in the WikiLeaks article. So {{WikiLeaks cable|01CITYNAME1234}} will go directly to the template without redirects, but {{WikiLeaks-cable|01CITYNAME1234}}, {{Wikileaks cable|01CITYNAME1234}}, {{Wikileaks-cable|01CITYNAME1234}}, should also work. Let's see:
In most cases, use of publisher=WikiLeaks in web document will then give the word WikiLeaks twice in succession (apart from punctuation), but not everybody will cite the same way, and some will choose other publishers, e.g. Aftenposten for cables not-so-far-published by WikiLeaks, some use El Pais or Guardian versions of the cables and may choose those as publisher=. Also, the two uses of "WikiLeaks" link to different pages: one to WikiLeaks the organisation, the second to the cables page. In any case, i've spent enough time on this template. Boud (talk) 00:43, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for making the improvements that you did, Boud. Gavia immer (talk) 01:02, 7 January 2011 (UTC)