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How to create "sfn" and/or "harv" reference for Proceedings (Zbornik)

Proceedings are collection of works published by academic institutions, museums, etc. They usually have one or more high-profil scholars as editors, who may or may not participate with their own work included into collection. Other authors, whose number can vary (few to few dozens), write a chapter with a unique title each (sometimes one author can contribute two or more chapters on different subject) on different, but subjects related to the field, say, history of some heretical order. So, now we have a book as a collection of chapters written by different authors, chapters have unique titles, collection is edited by one or more persons who contributed or not something. So, this is not the same thing as multiple authors of one paper in journal.

Is it possible to cite such book with sfn, and if so, how?
Imagine that you need to use few chapters in your wiki article but they should be used with separate footnote - every chapter has its title and writer, and the only common thing is the main title of the collection, date of publishing and an editor(s).

Example of one such Proceedings can be observed here: Zbornik radova - it is a first 11 pages with usual information and most importantly you can check Content ౪ Santa ౪^99° 14:07, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps like this:

* {{cite book |editor-last=Šanjek |editor-first=Franjo |date=2005 |title=Fenomen "Krstjani" u Srednjovjekovnoj Bosni i Humu: Zbornik Radova |location=Sarajevo |publisher=Institut za istoriju u Sarajevu |isbn=((9985-9642-5-2)) |language=hr}}
** {{harvc |last=Ančić |first=Mladen |c=Bosanska Banovina i Njezino Okruženje u Prvoj Polovici 13. Stoljeća |in=Šanjek |year=2005 |pages=11–26}}
** {{harvc |last=Neralić |first=Jadranka |c=Srednjovjekovna Bosna u Diplomatičkim Spisima Rimske Kurije |in=Šanjek |year=2005 |pages=371–386}}
** {{harvc |last=Šanjek |first=Franjo  |c=Papa Inocent III. (1198.-1216.) i Bosansko-Humski Krstjani |in=Šanjek |year=2005 |pages=425–440 |id={{sfnref|Šanjek in Šanjek|2005}}}}

The above goes in §Bibliography. The short form references (in this example {{harvnb}} because simpler) point to the {{harvc}} templates which, in turn, point to the {{cite book}} template. Here are the {{harvnb}} templates:

{{harvnb|Ančić|2005|p=20}} → Ančić 2005, p. 20

{{harvnb|Neralić|2005|p=380}} → Neralić 2005, p. 380

{{harvnb|Šanjek|2005|p=430|ref={{sfnref|Šanjek in Šanjek|2005}}}} → Šanjek 2005, p. 430

and here is the §Bibliography section:

• Šanjek, Franjo, ed. (2005). Fenomen "Krstjani" u Srednjovjekovnoj Bosni i Humu: Zbornik Radova (in Croatian). Sarajevo: Institut za istoriju u Sarajevu. ISBN 9985-9642-5-2.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: ignored ISBN errors (link)
  • Ančić, Mladen. "Bosanska Banovina i Njezino Okruženje u Prvoj Polovici 13. Stoljeća". In Šanjek (2005), pp. 11–26.
  • Neralić, Jadranka. "Srednjovjekovna Bosna u Diplomatičkim Spisima Rimske Kurije". In Šanjek (2005), pp. 371–386.
  • Šanjek, Franjo. "Papa Inocent III. (1198.-1216.) i Bosansko-Humski Krstjani". In Šanjek (2005), pp. 425–440.

Note the unique construction of the Šanjek {{harvnb}} and {{harvc}} templates; this to avoid circular or improper links between the templates – {{cite book}} uses CITEREFŠanjek2005 so {{harvc}} must not also use that CITREF id.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:28, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, this looks more than promising, I am going to try how it works. @Trappist the monk, I really appreciate this, as it was always huge problem for me - I am using that kind of literature constantly (Proceedings, Yearbooks, Contributions, Collections, and similar) and it gets tiresome using RefToolbar (reflist with <ref> markup) in this case. Thanks. ౪ Santa ౪^99° 17:19, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

It works like a charm @Trappist the monk, and I thank you again so much, however, is there a way to get just a footnote number inline like "[56]", which sends → "Ančić 2005, p. 20" in References-reflist, and from there "Ančić 2005, p. 20" → Biblio. "Ančić, Mladen. "Bosanska Banovina i Njezino Okruženje u Prvoj Polovici 13. Stoljeća". In Šanjek (2005), pp. 11–26."? I just replaced "harvnb" with "sfn" and it works perfectly - thank you. --౪ Santa ౪^99° 17:51, 6 February 2024 (UTC)