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why Abraham modal haplotype is not a fringe theory
[edit][5] The Abraham modal haplotype is a set of DNA sequences that are inherited together) on the Y-chromsome that has been hypothesized to mark the split between the Jewish and the Arabic lineages. A modal haplotype is used in Genetic Genealogy to trace back ancestry of a group of people of common descent supported by paper trail or historical evidence. MRCA is supposed to have the Modal haplotype while all his descendents either have it or cluster around it. It is the ancestral Haplotype of J1-Cohen modal haplotype(Y-chromosomal Aaron) removed only by 2 (one step) mutations from each other. After figuring the Modal Haplotype an estimation of the time to the most recent common ancestor TMRCA of MRCA of Jews and Arabs of haplogroup J1 (subclade J1e) to 4,125±525, a time close to that of the legendary Biblical split into the Jewish and the Arabic lineages. [6] [7][8]klyosov re-syncronized clustering methods to reestablish time to Abraham again in another study to 4,300±500 ybp (years before present), and the "J1 Abraham Modal Haplotype" which he calculated based on "Cohen Modal Haplotype" (CMH). From MRCA a split occurred between the Jewish and the Arabic lineages in haplogroup J1 (J1e*) that is clear on the haplotypes maps of the study, and it is reminiscent of the story of Abraham and his siblings, Ishmael, Isaac, and Jacob, the patriarchs of the Arabs and the Jews.[9] , based on previous studies that found that J1-Cohen Modal Haplotype and Galilee modal haplotype and Israeli Bedoins Modal Haplotype diverged from Cohan Modal Haplotype (Y-chromosomal Aaron)in haplogroup J1(Eu10)[10][11] where Galilee modal haplotype was the ancestral haplotype of the Arabs dominant among all current all Arabs (Yemenites and Adnanites) found in Yemen, Palestine and North Africa. [12], later study found J1e (p58) combines both J1-Cohanim and J1-Arabs[13][14] Later a subclade of J1e called L147.1 the dominant subclade of J1 is exclusively Arab abd Cohanim J1 (where J1 Ethiopian and J1 Assyrians dont have the YCAII=22,22 and the high DYD388)[15] [16].
Rabbi Kleiman in his book DNA and Tradition states: "Since Abraham was only removed from Aaron few hundred years, then CMH is the genetic signature of Abraham father of Jacob and Ishmael, and that explain why we also find the CMH in high numbers among Arabs who traditionally claim to be the progeny of Abraham through his son Ishmael, who would also have to be carrying Abraham's male genetic signature".[17]
Many similar research been done on persons that predate abraham and fater abraham such as Gengis khan modal haplotype, Aaron modal haplotype(Y-chromosomal Aaron) List_of_haplogroups_of_notable_people MRCA AdamY-chromosomal Adam, etc. there are hundreds of Modale haplotypes connected to persons/dynasties, nations, ect. many of which Klyosov discovered and adjusted such as russian peoples tribes, philippines etc found in the same study about Abraham modal haplotype! this topic of semitic haplogroup mcra is been researched by top scientists of the field such as behar nebel et al mentioning aaron and abraham and are found in pub med as top notch research.the burden of proof in wiki is two references of published material in english. - Many of the references of Klyosov study include Pub Med studies like Nebel et al which mentions Aaron modal haplotype is that of abraham and the Arabs (both arabs and abraham are mentioned by name). - Many of List of haplogroups of notable people are actually modal haplotypes! of notable people. Aaron a desendent of Abraham being separated by small time period they would have same haplogroup/haplotype of (Y chromosomal Aaron also known as Aaron modal haplotype., this is the argument of Klyosov ( a major contributor to the ancestral mutation studies since 2010 in the field of genetic genealogy (the field of the article) he is a superior scientist who made millions in the us because of his scientific discoveries. I will even add more ref that klyosov referenced that are Pub Med and speak of the same thing. others and the fact that Aaron haplotype is the same of the Arabs J1e.]]) - Looking at the wiki Fringe theory the article/studies does not fit under fringe theory: fringe theory is by definition:
- depart from mainstream(the common current thought of the majority) but (Mainstream of world populaion is that Abraham was the father of Arabs and ancient Israelites including 400 million arabs living today who claim abraham as their father)
- pseudoscience( not using a valid scientific method) Dna is not pseudoscience, Klyosov did use valid scientific method to calculate the divergence time of Arabs and Jews in J1 and J2 Haplogroups)- No other studies (equal to klyosov in dna studies, or higher) has referenced klyosov study as incorrect.
- conspiracy theory is used by occult (400 million arabs are not an occult!, Judaism christianity and islam (bible and quran) are not occult (over 2 thirds of the world) even hindu from india believe abraham is the father of Arabs and jews, and many many peoples if not all the world (thus you make the whole world an occult against the minority who believe otherwise( revisionists occults!). why would Arabs who were mentioned as Ishmaelites in Assyrian records in 1000 BC collude with jews at that time 3000 years ago, to claim a common ancestor whose name is Abraham while ,say, his true name is steve, what would they get from such cahoot collusion? ancient bedoin arabs and jews conspired in 1000 BC to claim their father was abraham not steve his real name?. Klyosov calculated the divergence time of jews and arabs and named it Abraham modal haplotype based on historical records and claims (an essential part of genetic genealogy which combines dna study with historical records).
he would have called it Steve modal haplotype. if the historical record /claims his name was steve, same thing with Y-chromosomal Adam, Y-chromosomal Aaron. Klyosov refers to J1-CMH j1-Cohen modal haplotype (Y-chromosomal Aaron ) "it should be called more appropriately the “Abraham Modal Haplotype” when it is exhibited in Jews and Arabs". since most arabs are J1 who have Cohen modal haplotype ( and most j1-cmh (J1-L147.1 sub-haplogroup) is in arabs and all j1-CMH jews are in this subclade), they arabs can't be desendents from Aaron but rather his recent ancestor Abraham. The reason why j1-Cohen modal haplotype was called Y-chromosomal Aaron in the first place is that current jews with cohanim (priestly cast in current judaism/jews claim descent from Aaron!?. The fact the existance of high J1-Cohen modal haplotype in all cohens in all jewish communities even in Tailand (a country devoid of J1 altogether since tailand never experienced arab/islamic invasion) in large percentage can not be a conspiracy theory/ pseudohistory!.
- Pseudohistory: is dependent on revisionism occult hypothesis conjecture , already clarified as don't fit in mainstream definition and conspiracy theory discussionViibird (talk) 04:09, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
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[edit]grunbaum sees it in midrash Tanhuma on genesis chapter 36, and in Pirke De-Rabbi Eliezer ch 38 p21 af grunbaum m einige bemerkungen in bezug auf die in dieser zeitschrift bd. mitgetheilten ausfsatze uber die samaritaner in zeitschrift der deutschen morgenlanndischen gesellschaft 1862 vol 16 p389-416 rapoport geiger [25]
The Samaritans claim their name is the Biblical Hebrew שמרומ "Samerim" (Samerin سامرين in Arabic which denotes the same meaning) [26], which in Biblical Hebrew means Guardians (singular Sameri)which is from the Biblical Hebrew root verb SMR שמר which means: to watch, to guard[27]. Even Mount Samaria means "Watch Mountain" since watchers used to watch from those mountains for approaching armies from Egypt from ancient times. and they took on this name as the guardians of the Torah to protect it from alteration against the Talmudic Rabbinic school which became the majority of Jews today. This etymology of their name is supported by Christian Church fathers Epiphanus of Salamis in (Panarion), Jerome and Eusibius in Chronicon and Origen in The Commentary of Origen on S. John's Gospel, and in some Ancient Jewish Talmudic Bible Interpreters of Midrash Tanhuma and Pirke De-Rabbi Eliezer[28] [29][30][31].[32][33].
http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H8104&t=KJV
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Strong's H8104 - to keep to watch to guard shamar Samaritans
shimei watchful http://www.blbclassic.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H8113&t=KJV smri watchful Exd 19:12 And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed h8104 to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death: Gen 4:9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper ? H8104 defition Samaritan watchman specialops sentry (ˈsɛn tri) a guard, esp., a soldier stationed to prevent unauthorized passage. short for sentrinel, variant of sentinel japanese samurai In Japanese, it was originally recorded in the Nara Period as a verb *samorapu ("to watch, to keep watch, to observe, to be on the lookout for something. engarde enguarde stand still (smr) motionless in atmost attention and vigil like a post (like a nail) nailed in place no movement in vigil. vigil observation motionless to prevent unauthorized passage semron samaria watch-mountain watch-tower mesmerized transfixed spellbound He could mesmerize an audience by the sheer force of his speech If you’re mesmerized, you are so fascinated (fastened in place) by something, you can’t look away. describes being held in place by something by extreme interest in what you see or hear. fascinate transfixed spellbind Eze 40:45 And he said unto me, This chamber, whose prospect is toward the south, is for the priests, the keepers of the charge of the house. guards of the guards-post msmrh ward station of the house-
page 123 haer 9.1
samaritans according to epiphanius haer 9.means watchmen they were named samaritans either because they were brought as watchmen or because they are the guardians of the torah. this isis the same derivation of the name samaritans as favoured by the samaritans themselves ie they call themselves smrim guardians or keepers rather than smrnism ihabitants of samaria, the same samaritans means guards is found already in origen and in eusibius-jerome chronicon. epiphanius origon in joh 20 35 321 and hom ez9.1..23 jerome and eusibius 24 page 42: two places origen inform us reading of samaritan reads guard in hebrew somer and link this eusibus claim that origen made a thourough study of the hebrew tongue hist eccl 6.16.1 , ([36])r williams says that in origenes 400 .page 42 Early Christian Authors on Samaritans and Samaritanism: Texts, Translations ... By Reinhard Pummer [28] 24chronological canons ann abr. 1270 in helm. eusebius die chronik 184 the chapter on eusebus (Die chronik des Eusebius in der syrischen Druck von A. Mecke, 1921 .grubaum sees it in midrash tanchuma on gen chapter 36, and in pirke d r eliezer ch 38 p21 af
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[edit]coggins samaritans and jews 11(keepers (of the torah) this usage is regularly found in their chronicle ii, they were selfconsiously the real keepers suspecious of change and guardians against change and alteration of the torah [29] samerim same as claimed by samaritans themselves they call themselves samrim guardians or keepers of the torah rather than samronim inhabitants of samaria .the same etymology samaritan means guard is found already in Origon in joh 20 305321 and hom in ez9.1 and later in eusebius jerome chronicon, epi was first add guard ie guard the torah Epiphanius states that Samaritans means watchmen because of their stationing in the land as watchmen or because they are the keepers of Moses law[30]
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SMR means to keep, to watch, to guard, prevent unautherized access, as in the fllowing bible verses: Exodus 19:12 And thou shalt set bounds unto the people round about, saying, Take heed(SMRI=H8104) to yourselves, that ye go not up into the mount, or touch the border of it: whosoever toucheth the mount shall be surely put to death. Gennesis 4:9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper(SMR=H8104)
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SMR means to keep, to watch, to guard, prevent unautherized access
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SMRI (singular of SMRIM) means watchful
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